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Old 01-27-2010, 11:59 PM   #1
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78 Big 10 4wd?

Hi, we got another project going on here. First off this is not my first build and i am pretty familiar with chevy trucks

I have an 85 k10

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Anyways, a week before Christmas my boss got this 78 c10 Big 10. 34,000 original miles, 350, dealer installed car 4-speed transmission(hurst shifter installed in 82) the truck has factory buckets and console aswell as a factory tach. the truck does not have power windows or locks or air conditioning.


My bosses plan for the truck is a frame swap to make the truck a 4wd, The reason for this is replicate a truck my boss had: a 78 4wd with bucket seats and console and a factory truck. His old 78 was lifted 6 inches on 38s. This truck will only be lifted 2 inches.

This truck will also be getting factory air installed, and a sm465 and a 205 transfer case

Here is the truck the day i got back from maine:





And some before pics:















a couple weeks ago we picked up a 79 k10 as a parts truck. We only needed the frame and A/C parts. So I have been stripping it down and carefully labeling all the A/C parts.
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:59 PM   #2
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

And here is the parts truck after some body parts removed:





Where the A/C box was:



A template I made so it will be easier to cut the wholes in the non-A/C cab






And I then stripped the rest of the parts truck down to the fame and axles.

Then i installed 2" lift springs that were on my 85 when i got it, ad a 2" add a leaf i had for my 85 but i didnt use on it

Then we took the frame to be sand blasted and painted

They used a 2 part epoxy primer to fill in the small rust pits, then sprayed 2 coats of solvent resistant single stage black and it looks pretty good

Here is the frame when we got it back from the blasters today:







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Old 01-28-2010, 12:04 AM   #3
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Whoa nice looking truck! Making some good progress keep up the good work buddy Gonna be sweet when its all done!
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:42 PM   #4
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Thanks, it is going to be nice, not my favorite color combo but its too nice to mess with.

Yesterday i worked on the trans most of the day, cleaning it up. It had 4 inches of shifter play and i welded the peg to the collar, thanks Wrenchbende Ret for that info. now the shifter has about 1/4 inch of play at the knob, a million times better

I also modified the transfercase shift lever. We now have a chrome one to match the trans shifter instead of a painted one
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Today I got the shocks, steering stabilizer and front brakes on. The shocks and stabilizer are pro-comp



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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Got some work done today. Got the frontend off, and the doors. I got most of the interior out. I also unbolted the bed, it will come off tomorrow. I left the rad hooke up so we can move the truck under its own power





Sinse the truck was a 3-speed column shift from the factory, the cab doesnt have the tall bolt in floor hump, but the trick will have the tall bolt in floor hump when we are done



sm 465 and 205 and our bolt in tunnel



Pile of parts

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Old 02-01-2010, 07:49 PM   #7
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Nice looking truck. Love the Hurst.

If you were selling the 2wd frame and drivetrain and I were alot closer, I'd buy it.
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Yea, the hurst has to go though, and the frame willl be for sale as well as the body pars that came off the 79.

The truck should turn out real nice, im pretty exited
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

Engine and all?

I'll bet I could make that Hurst work on my TH400 with some good 'ole fashion inginuity.
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Old 02-02-2010, 12:10 AM   #10
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

we are using the engine. the handle just bolts on. im not sure if were gonna sell the tranny or not, its a car 4-speed, ill have to do some research but i think its a muncie. It uses the same bellhousing as the sm 465
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

If you end up selling it and the handle seperately, keep me in mind for the handle.
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

I got the bed off yesterday, thats all i got done, i also put struts and shocks on my dads car. The motor and tranny should be comig out this afternoon or tomorrow
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Awesome project. That looks like a ton of fun. My first truck was a 1986 GMC C2500 Camper Special and I wanted to do the same thing to it. It was a fully loaded Sierra Classic with 454/TH400, PW/PDL, A/C, Cruise...man I miss it occasionally.
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Re: 78 Big 10 4wd?

yep its a lot of fun, we got 2 feet of snow here in lancaster pa, and i finally got my camera to show thursday's progress

the motor out of the truck and on the stand:



the floor hump, we have a 4wd cab i will have to cut into some to fill around the whole way.



all the components are off the fire wall, we will remove all the black rustproofing and paint the firewall





and then the new frame next to the old one

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Awesome project; is a frame swap the only/preferred method for converting a 2wd C10 to 4x4? I have often said that if I ordered my truck new, I'd put a factory four speed, tach, 350 instead of 305, and 4x4 with everything else staying the same.

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Awesome project; is a frame swap the only/preferred method for converting a 2wd C10 to 4x4? I have often said that if I ordered my truck new, I'd put a factory four speed, tach, 350 instead of 305, and 4x4 with everything else staying the same.

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Hey Kurt , seems like its been a while . Nice to see a post from you .
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Hi Frank, thanks, and it's nice to be posting again... been busy moving around with the Army and such, and just recently I've been able to get back into the truck and enjoy it. Just deciding on what way to go - bone stock resto, or plop in a 4 speed, maybe a little drop with wheels (no C-notching, though)...
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Awesome project; is a frame swap the only/preferred method for converting a 2wd C10 to 4x4? I have often said that if I ordered my truck new, I'd put a factory four speed, tach, 350 instead of 305, and 4x4 with everything else staying the same.

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I think it is, that way it looks factory and nobody will know it was a 2wd in the past. You have to modify the 4wd crossmembers to fit in a 2wd frame
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I changed valve cover gaskets and the oil pan gasket yesterday, and it turns out its a 4-bolt motor. also got a fresh coat of paint. the accessories got painted today. they will be installed tomorrow depending if i go to work or not. we are supposed to get another 12-18 inches of snow on top of the 26 we got this weekend

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Is that Ford Blue? It looks darker then the GM Blue.
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the can said gm blue, the flash was on on the camera
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last friday i got the carburetor rebuilt and all of the accessories on the engine. this mornig i got the engine and trans together along with the transfercase and got them installed on the 4wd frame:





and then this after noon i got the cab off the old frame:





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Nice work! I am starting on a similar project so it's nice to look at your pictures.

I am swapping an 87' 2wd body onto an 84' 1 ton M1008 frame. I have the 1 ton stripped down to the frame and axles. I plan to post some pictures once I start putting parts on the new frame.

I was currious if it was necessary for you to remove the doors or if you did that for some other reason? I was planning to try to leave the doors on and try to run a strap through the cab or something to lift it off and onto the new frame.

I already have my 4x4 transmission hump for the 2wd cab. I was surprised to see such a big gap on the back side in the pictures where your 4x4 hump is laying over the 2wd hump. When you get to the point of putting in your transmission hump please post some pictures and let me know how it fits!
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It must have been the color on the computer I was on. It looks like the right color now. Its coming along nicely.
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Nice work! I am starting on a similar project so it's nice to look at your pictures.

I am swapping an 87' 2wd body onto an 84' 1 ton M1008 frame. I have the 1 ton stripped down to the frame and axles. I plan to post some pictures once I start putting parts on the new frame.

I was currious if it was necessary for you to remove the doors or if you did that for some other reason? I was planning to try to leave the doors on and try to run a strap through the cab or something to lift it off and onto the new frame.

I already have my 4x4 transmission hump for the 2wd cab. I was surprised to see such a big gap on the back side in the pictures where your 4x4 hump is laying over the 2wd hump. When you get to the point of putting in your transmission hump please post some pictures and let me know how it fits!
It wasnt neceassary to take the doors off, but it made the cab lighter and gave me a point to put a chain. and they arent power doors so no wires to take out

and we have a junk 4wd cab that i am going to cut the filler pieces out of for the floor
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