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Old 09-28-2011, 02:47 PM   #1
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Attempt/Mistake #2

To start off I love you guys and all the help and advice on here. About 10 years ago I bought a black 72 Chevy Super LWB and embarked on a journey that is never ending of rebuilding it. I got it running and put together once but I am not satisfied with it and I did a lot of things wrong on it so going back in to do them right. Thus the name Attempt/Mistake #2. I would love to hear everyones comments/opinions/advice during this 2nd go around. And pray that there will not be a 3rd attempt!
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:57 PM   #2
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

The truck sat for a few years while I was in nursing school (Hook em Horns!) and consequently the finish on various areas went to crap, these will be refinished. Future plans call for exterior paint of 2012 Range Rover Fuji White, suspension and motor block will be Hugger Orange. Interior will be black. Truck is all shaved (except drip rails which are one of my favorite things about these trucks), I have one piece windows from Brothers. 4/6 drop (static). Have 20x10 Intro Pentias all the way around but am going to get the fronts rehooped down to 8.5 inches because the stick out to far and cannot backspace any more without hitting EVERYTHING! O yea, I have a 83 Chevy front suspension underneath it. Engine is moved down 1.5 inches and back 2 inches. Running a stock Turbo 400 and 12 bolt with a spool (terrible idea and will DEF be going with a posi when I find one). (The blue truck is the all original one) Sorry for the bad pics, I will get better ones when I can
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2003 Harley Davidson Dyna Superglide with 2007 Street Bob front end
2000 Ford F350 Powerstroke 4WD CCLB, 310,000 miles running great (STOLEN St. Patricks Day 2014 AND NEVER RECOVERED)
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:59 PM   #3
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Looks pretty nice sideways

We all learn from our first go-around....I Know I did ...and I'm still learning

Sounds like a good plan!
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:13 PM   #4
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Under the hood (cowl in the pics but I did not like it so will be going back with a stocker)is a 535 cubic inch BB. The only GM product in the engine is the 427T block. Every bolt is ARP, Rotating assembly is all forged with JE pistons. 10.5:1. Dart single plane intake. Air Flow Research 325 partly CNC'd heads. Comp Cam 292 Xtreme Energy mechanical roller cam with all matching Comp cam hardware. Went out on a limb and tried one of those Proform 950 carbs and per the dyno the fuel and air mix was damn near perfect straight out of the box. This is a street truck and not a race only truck so relatively mild cam and compression (for pump gas) was a MUST. Behaves very nicely on the street. What I can not figure out is how Car Craft built a 496 with the SAME parts as this except one size smaller heads and made 707 HP and yet mine only makes 633HP/666TQ! Any ideas?? I am running 32 degrees of total timing (doesnt seem like enough really does it but when it was on the dyno we tried everything and this was the best according to the numbers)
The only thing I will be changing on the engine is I am putting a serpentine belt system on the front unless you all tell me some other things I need to do. Since these pictures were taken I threw that POS HEI away and have upgraded to a complete MSD 6A system.
(P.S the first picture makes me cringe too building this outside. Even though I was super careful about not getting dirt in it I am sure that I got some ) Good thing we have a big AND clean shop to work in now!!!
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2003 Harley Davidson Dyna Superglide with 2007 Street Bob front end
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:27 PM   #5
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

I boxed the frame from axle to axle and when I go back in I will finish boxing it from the bumper to bumper. O yea and it has a 3500 stall TCI convertor, Transgo shift kit (for what its worth) that allows manual shifting at any RPM (besides when the governor says NO). I will attach a picture to prove that it runs and drives On the dyno power started to fall off around 5100 so I plan on grinding or replacing the governor weights so that I can just stick it in drive and so it will shift automatically at 5300 or so. Best time so far at the track on 275 street tires with a 3.08 rearend was a dismal 108 mph quarter in 13.8 seconds with the worst 60 foot time in the world (refuses to stay on the ground). And that was launching in second and then dropping into first to try to reduce wheel spin and it turned out my best time for some reason. (and yes I know that this is INCREDIBLY hard on everything and will not make a habit of it)
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2003 Harley Davidson Dyna Superglide with 2007 Street Bob front end
2000 Ford F350 Powerstroke 4WD CCLB, 310,000 miles running great (STOLEN St. Patricks Day 2014 AND NEVER RECOVERED)
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:28 PM   #6
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Very nice!!! I'm not sure on the engine but I've found that certain combos work better than others....maybe the smaller engine works better with the smaller heads...
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:30 PM   #7
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Oh, and I'd invest in some street slicks or straight up slicks for the track if you want to see what that beast can really do
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:41 PM   #8
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Yes, just once I would like to put some slicks under it and see if I could at least cut down on my terrible 60 foot time and hopefully break at least 110 mph. The truck weighs 3950 pounds. And even on the track at the 1/8th mile it spun out on me once and nearly hit the wall. All the rear suspension is polyurethane and brand new so I was hoping that it would stick on the ground a little better than it does. I have a 12 gallon fuel cell with electric pump mounted in the bed behind the cab.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:49 PM   #9
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

I only hope my truck will look as good as yours does now when i'm thru. Got a speeding ticket in El Campo once for doing like 3 miles per hour over the speed limit. You will have to do most of your driving at the track in that thing or I'm affraid it could get really expensive.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:40 PM   #10
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Yea The Man is out in force in this small town! Heck I got a ticket on my Harley even for going like nothing over. I have had numerous encounters already in the 72 also one of which consisted of:
Me: Im sorry but Im trying to tune the carb and there is no where else to do it.
Sheriff: Well, thats ok then, just go a little bit further out into the country. And do it during the day....
Never been bothered since...
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:54 PM   #11
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

The UPS man brought presents! Since I am putting the stock SBC accessory drive on utilizing the adaptive plates from Kwik Performance I had to buy a long water pump (and I managed to find a BBC stock crank pulley at a truck salvage yard). Went with the Flow Kooler 1672 for 109 bucks from Summit. Supposedly high volume and comes with claims to lower engine temp up to 30 degrees. Bought it now so I can see if I can squeeze electric fans in or if I am going to have to cut the center section of core support out and move it forward. Hopefully since I dropped engine down and back I will be able to put 2 big fans in. Also am putting Hydroboost in from a 98 or so Astro van. Got these kick@ss brackets for the hydroboost from board member Captainfab, he does awesome work.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:30 PM   #12
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Since I want to put 2 electric fans on the truck this go around I have been having some troubles with the fitment as others before have. I do not want to put fans on the front side of radiator though as that just seems like it would lead to a lot of wind resistance. As can be seen in the picture I only had 3.5 inches of clearance between the hub of my long water pump and the 4 core radiator. (cannot go to short water pump as I will be running serpentine system on the truck this go around). So the only thing I could think of was taking a section out of the core support. Hope I still have enough strength in it after the cut. If it looks like it flexes alot I will weld a little support in the back side of the core support. Hard to see exactly where I cut it since it is silver and my little 12 dollar body saw from Harbor Freight ( I know I cant hardly believe something from HF worked either!!) cut it like an absolute dream, didn't even have to hardly touch it with a grinder afterwards. Now I am up to 5.5 inches of clearance which should surely be enough by my calculations. I may have to cut a small section out of my inner hood front support, not sure yet. And I think that I can always gain an additional 0.5 inch of clearance if I absolutely have to by grinding the water pump shaft a little. I had to cut a relief for the radiator cap and had to modify my top radiator brackets so that they will hold the radiator where I want it.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:45 PM   #13
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Also stripped the body from the chassis. Was a lot easier with the help of my brother's boom truck, did the entire job by myself in less than an hour. Apparently I really messed up on my technique of putting POR 15 on because the chassis looks like complete crap even though it has only been several years. Never fear, I have decided that I will sandblast it and epoxy prime and basecoat/clearcoat it this go around. (Plus I now have dry air) While I was getting the cab off I came to the conclusion that it will be more hassle than it is worth to try to fix my existing cab and instead I will be using this cab that I got in Arizona a few months ago. Will be needing a section of a cab for the back section of this cab as it was on a RV and had an opening cut in the back. If anyone has an extra cab around that is junk and wants to sell me this 2 foot by 2 foot section I would be happy to pay them handsomely. I will also be buying a roof skin to put on this cab as I do not want clearance lights. The cab has spent its whole life in AZ and has only surface rust. Original paint except the 2 toning was added later, even that is obviously at least 30 years old.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:47 PM   #14
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Very nice I am envious to say the least!
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:54 PM   #15
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While I have the cab roof skin off I will be insulating the roof with either lizard skin or dynamat or a combination of the two. Does anyone know how much space is between the outer and the inner skin of the roof? And I need to get a hold of mike (he is a member on here) from bump and grind garage right down the road in Pasadena and get the new skin, I believe they sell them. Going to REALLY insulate the cab this time very well as I want it to be reasonably quiet inside even with a big block and Flowmasters. Plus I plan on welding all the seams in the drip rails like I did on the last cab to prevent them from rusting out in the future.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:10 PM   #16
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Since I have an odd frame under this truck (no one can seem to figure out what exactly it is) I have never been able to get the bumper in the front to fit the way that I want it to. Plus I am embarassed to show you all how slip shod I mounted the steering gear back then but here it is! The back has a roll pan so it is not an issue BUT when I first got it 10 years ago I bent the back rails while trying to load it and halfa$$ed it back never getting it really right. It has these frame rails in the front (I THINK that it is a 66 frame but what do I know) I bought a frame off of Craigslist from a 70 model C10 for 100 bucks and butchered it up to make mine better and the way that I wanted. It was a long bed frame so I had to cut 8 inches off of the back of the back frame rails. I cut a section off of the back and the front of both my existing frame and my donor frame and welded it back up the way it was supposed to be all along. Was a real PITA because the top of the front frame rail was a little wider than my existing frame and I had to massage it to work. After test fitting it approximately 798 times and being a little too OCD with my measuring (yes that is me measuring to make sure my plumb bob is centered in the cab mount holes with a caliper) I got it welded on to be very very close. It looks a little crooked in the picture because of my angle that I took the picture at. By the tape measure it is all within 1/10 of an inch. Welded the brace on the front of the frame horns prior to cutting it off of the donor frame plus tacked the crossmember in so that it would not warp after I got it off (these pieces flex an amazing amount if you don't brace them up). Will be boxing it all the way to the bumper after I figure out my fuel lines and test mount steering linkage.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:16 PM   #17
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

The hardest part of the front was finding landmarks to measure off of. Eventually I ended up using the dimple on the front side of the front end as both frames had this at the same place. Even then it took some degree of luck to get it right. In the second up from the bottom picture if you look at the junction of the old and donor frame you can see what hellacious gaps I had to massage to make fit. And more pictures of the the front for all you picture gluttons out there...
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And the side view of the completed front... (prior to boxing) If you look closely at the passenger frame rail you will see where I had to cut a relief slit to make it all come together and then reweld it. I think that I will try to get rid of the splayed out section of the frame when I box it.
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2000 Ford F350 Powerstroke 4WD CCLB, 310,000 miles running great (STOLEN St. Patricks Day 2014 AND NEVER RECOVERED)
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:27 PM   #19
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Now on to the rear section. The rear section on mine looked and acted really bad when I had the bed on it. Had to add brackets just to make it fit and then it still drooped a little too much on the driver's side. Plus it was missing the back crossmember. Hopefully my donor frame graft will help that. First though I had to remove this homemade hitch that someone had added (which they made out of pipe as you can see) and that yielded a LOT of scrap and slag. Then I cut off the 8 inches and it went on smooth as butter. Both frames had the very same hole at the same place so I marked and cut right through the center of it and then married the two pieces together. Will be boxing this also all the way to the bumper after I get my wiring all figured out.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:34 PM   #21
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And a couple more... My battery box had been also coated with POR 15 and you can see about how well that worked.. So I made a new bottom for it out of some 1/8 inch flat that I had lying around. Its kinda rough right now still but will polish it up and paint it before it goes back in truck. Will be welding it really solidly to the existing uprights as they were still good. I think that with all the seams welded solid on it and using an Optima from now on that it shouldn't ever rust out again.
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Nice work!
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:08 PM   #23
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Looking good,keep pictures coming & keep on truckin'
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Re: Attempt/Mistake #2

Took some more pictures of my cab that I got in Phoenix. I think that the reason that it has the surface rust on the top is because it was a RV and the camper part rested on the roof. But Even when you push on it hard with a pick it appears to just be surface rust. Replacing it anyways though.
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