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HO455 05-26-2021 02:38 PM

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I solved the same problem on my S10 by using a pair of 3/8" wheel spacers. Over 100k miles without issue. I had them made by a local machine shop with proper hub centering and wheel stud sizing. No generic parts house spacer.

67C10Step 05-26-2021 03:11 PM

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No , They are advertised as the only drop spindles that don't increase the width , I'll get some more pictures and get a measurement of the width of the rotors side to side. I'm using stock A arms and 255 x 70 x 15 tires :chevy:

I am running the exact same setup as Grumpy and just couldn't resist. I am now interested to see his photo and measurements. This is how my lower control arm looks compared to the wheel. 2-1/2" drop spindle, 15x8 rally, 255/70-15 tires. Plenty of room.

Now I am aggravated as I noticed a split in the outer tie rod boot and the one on the passenger side is totally split. WTH? These things aren't a year old.

Grumpy old man 05-26-2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 67C10Step (Post 8925228)
I am running the exact same setup as Grumpy and just couldn't resist. I am now interested to see his photo and measurements. This is how my lower control arm looks compared to the wheel. 2-1/2" drop spindle, 15x8 rally, 255/70-15 tires. Plenty of room.

Now I am aggravated as I noticed a split in the outer tie rod boot and the one on the passenger side is totally split. WTH? These things aren't a year old.

Turn the wheel full left and full right , Check clearance again , Sorry , I'm in the middle of hand sanding my firewall . :chevy:

I hate hand sanding ! For the 3rd time ... rain tomorrow need to prime it again tonite .

70cst 05-26-2021 03:52 PM

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Could this part of my problem...

I have a P245/60/15 tire? Is the size a little to big adding to my issues?

I am just trying to look at all possibilities.

Thanks

SCOTI 05-26-2021 05:04 PM

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Tire size should be moot.... It's the wheel lip that interferes w/the a-arm gutter.

70cst 05-26-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 8925265)
Tire size should be moot.... It's the wheel lip that interferes w/the a-arm gutter.

True ... I am low on coffee :mm:

gmc684x4 05-26-2021 07:10 PM

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The reason behind the one drop spindle mentioning does not increase width that is for stock 67 70 drum front brake measurement
71 72 disc is slightly wider so is the rear axle is slightly wider as well

Grumpy old man 05-26-2021 07:30 PM

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Here's a pic of mine , ignore the dust everything in the shop is covered in dust. :chevy:

70cst 06-02-2021 04:21 PM

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Ok ... so if I understand it correctly:

I have a 4" BS and if I go with a 3" BS it will pull the tire another inch outwards? Thanks

SCOTI 06-02-2021 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 70cst (Post 8927987)
Ok ... so if I understand it correctly:

I have a 4" BS and if I go with a 3" BS it will pull the tire another inch outwards? Thanks

Yes. It will move the barrel of the wheel out vs the hub centerline. Doing so widens the track width if not going to a narrower wheel.

The more aggressive you get, the harder it is on wheel bearings as a result from the additional weighted leverage of a steel wheel. Just a maint related item to keep in mind.

Again..... Trimming the rain gutter is very common for the minimal clearance needed. It just needs to be done w/care in mind.

lil hoodlum 06-03-2021 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 70cst (Post 8927987)
Ok ... so if I understand it correctly:

I have a 4" BS and if I go with a 3" BS it will pull the tire another inch outwards? Thanks

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that if you go with less backspace, in this case an inch, wouldn't it bring the face of the hub inwards an inch? So if you wanted more clearance from the back side of the hub, 4.5" backspace would gain you a half an inch clearance?

lil hoodlum 06-03-2021 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lil hoodlum (Post 8928171)
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that if you go with less backspace, in this case an inch, wouldn't it bring the face of the hub inwards an inch? So if you wanted more clearance from the back side of the hub, 4.5" backspace would gain you a half an inch clearance?

After further review, I see that your control arm is hitting the bottom outside the wheel. So I do believe that decreasing the back spacing of the rim would provide more clearance between the control arm and the bottom of the wheel.

In other words, maybe my above post is incorrect.

lolife99 06-03-2021 12:28 AM

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After further review, I see that your control arm is hitting the bottom outside the wheel. So I do believe that decreasing the back spacing of the rim would provide more clearance between the control arm and the bottom of the wheel.

In other words, maybe my above post is incorrect.

Backspacing is just like it sounds.
It’s a measurement from the wheel mounting surface to the inside edge of the wheel.
Less backspacing moves the wheel out.

70cst 06-03-2021 07:12 AM

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I just might go with a 7" wheel/tire combo in the front and 8" in the back. That would solve my problem plus I could decrease my BS without it going to far outwards. :burnout:

SCOTI 06-03-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 70cst (Post 8928213)
I just might go with a 7" wheel/tire combo in the front and 8" in the back. That would solve my problem plus I could decrease my BS without it going to far outwards. :burnout:

Exactly. This is another reason many utilize the staggered front to rear combos.

Be prepared because even 7" wheels sometimes get close enough that it requires a little clearance work on those porky a-arm gutters. The OE disc brake 6" wheels are usually the ones that clear w/o issue. Aftermarket 7" wheels w/spec'd back spacing should be good.

70cst 06-03-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 8928245)
Exactly. This is another reason many utilize the staggered front to rear combos.

Be prepared because even 7" wheels sometimes get close enough that it requires a little clearance work on those porky a-arm gutters. The OE disc brake 6" wheels are usually the ones that clear w/o issue. Aftermarket 7" wheels w/spec'd back spacing should be good.

Thats my thinking - mabve add about a 1 1/2" BS with the 7" wheel should solve my issues.

SCOTI 06-03-2021 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 70cst (Post 8928347)
Thats my thinking - mabve add about a 1 1/2" BS with the 7" wheel should solve my issues.

You need to get your nomenclature down for these discussions.

ADDING back-space means the wheel barrel would be moving closer to the source of your contact issue. Reducing back-space would mean moving it away from your contact issue.

You want a 6-7" wheel w/less BS than your current 8" wheel. That shifts the contact point @ the wheel lip farther away from the a-arm gutter while keeping a similar outer track width.

70cst 06-03-2021 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 8928362)
You need to get your nomenclature down for these discussions.

ADDING back-space means the wheel barrel would be moving closer to the source of your contact issue. Reducing back-space would mean moving it away from your contact issue.

You want a 6-7" wheel w/less BS than your current 8" wheel. That shifts the contact point @ the wheel lip farther away from the a-arm gutter while keeping a similar outer track width.

Yes ... I presently have 4" BS on a 8" rim and I will go to about a 3" BS with a 7" rim :mm::exit:

lolife99 06-18-2021 11:45 PM

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Did you ever resolve this issue?

70cst 06-19-2021 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lolife99 (Post 8934102)
Did you ever resolve this issue?

I ordered two 7" rims with 3" BS. The tire dealer said I can use the exisitng tires on either a 8" or 7" rims.


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