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TA_C10 08-17-2020 01:53 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
I really wanted to purchase these but didn't. How well do they work and would you recommend? And what total amount of hours do you have installing them?

Thanks!

siggyfreud 08-17-2020 05:35 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
They work really well so far. At first the button press/level pull to open the door was tight, but the do loosen up as the wear in a bit.

I would recommend them yes. I think you can replicate 80% of what they provide with fresh hinges and a really good door alignment, but I feel like the extra 20% allows them to close even softer. I push as hard as I do on any new car now, versus that extra push I used to need. I also don't have 5 shims stacked behind my door plate anymore which is nice.

I'd say for both sides it was about 6 hours total. My door panels, arm rest, and handles were mostly already off. If you're aren't factor another hour into it.

Would recommend before you do body and paint. Unless you get the upgraded plates they both come in unpainted steel. My the sill plates had a tad bit of surface rust so I painted them flat black. Eventually both plates will come back off for powdercoating.

If you buy the upgrades the door part is still steel, but the door sill plate is polished aluminum I believe.

I also wish I had replaced my door level mechanism at the same time, but easy enough to do later one. I think it would be even smoother then.

SCOTI 08-18-2020 09:47 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by siggyfreud (Post 8793903)
They work really well so far. At first the button press/level pull to open the door was tight, but the do loosen up as the wear in a bit.

I would recommend them yes. I think you can replicate 80% of what they provide with fresh hinges and a really good door alignment, but I feel like the extra 20% allows them to close even softer. I push as hard as I do on any new car now, versus that extra push I used to need. I also don't have 5 shims stacked behind my door plate anymore which is nice.

I'd say for both sides it was about 6 hours total. My door panels, arm rest, and handles were mostly already off. If you're aren't factor another hour into it.

Would recommend before you do body and paint. Unless you get the upgraded plates they both come in unpainted steel. My the sill plates had a tad bit of surface rust so I painted them flat black. Eventually both plates will come back off for powdercoating.

If you buy the upgrades the door part is still steel, but the door sill plate is polished aluminum I believe.

I also wish I had replaced my door level mechanism at the same time, but easy enough to do later one. I think it would be even smoother then.

Door Level Mechanism?

siggyfreud 08-19-2020 12:00 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 8794221)
Door Level Mechanism?

I think Trique calls it a door regulator in their instructions, so perhaps thats the actual name of the part. It's the right side piece in this photo. I couldn't remember the name of the piece so I just winged it ;).

https://www.cjponyparts.com/media/ca...r6r_1.66_1.jpg

Scurry67 08-19-2020 01:32 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
I’ve been looking into these door latches too. The reviews online seem like it’s a great upgrade. Will you seam seal the new latch panel joint along the door? Did it affect your door gap/alignment at all?

Looking good!

siggyfreud 08-19-2020 01:39 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scurry67 (Post 8794584)
I’ve been looking into these door latches too. The reviews online seem like it’s a great upgrade. Will you seam seal the new latch panel joint along the door? Did it affect your door gap/alignment at all?

Looking good!

Not sure yet honestly. I may just 3d print a thin gasket for it. Or may do something more permanent before body and paint.

It didn't seem to affect the gap/alignment at all. It's as good (or bad) as it was before. Trique even points out that this won't hurt or fix alignment problems, it'll just make it much easier to open and close assuming door alignment and hinges are in good working order.

Scurry67 08-19-2020 01:45 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by siggyfreud (Post 8794815)
Not sure yet honestly. I may just 3d print a thin gasket for it. Or may do something more permanent before body and paint.

It didn't seem to affect the gap/alignment at all. It's as good (or bad) as it was before. Trique even points out that this won't hurt or fix alignment problems, it'll just make it much easier to open and close assuming door alignment and hinges are in good working order.

Are you using the original door seals or are you replacing them? I read a few threads that it can still be tough to shut with new seals around the door.

Scurry67 08-19-2020 02:00 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by siggyfreud (Post 8794815)
Not sure yet honestly. I may just 3d print a thin gasket for it. Or may do something more permanent before body and paint.

It didn't seem to affect the gap/alignment at all. It's as good (or bad) as it was before. Trique even points out that this won't hurt or fix alignment problems, it'll just make it much easier to open and close assuming door alignment and hinges are in good working order.

Are you using the original door seals or are you replacing them? I read a few threads that it can still be tough to shut with new seals around the door.

siggyfreud 08-19-2020 05:27 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
I have new snap-on style door seals. The driver side shuts pretty easily, the passenger side is a little harder. I attribute that to not using the passenger side as much, and the seal not setting as nicely.

I haven't had any other style seal on these, so I can't really attest to whether the original glue-on style would be easier or not.

I find the driver side door very easy to close though. I'll take a video for you all.

siggyfreud 08-20-2020 09:51 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Did some welding and exhaust work today, along with some 3D printing. I cut the back half of the exhaust off some time ago because I didn't like it. I replaced the mufflers with a couple of BORLA units, but didn't run any tailpipes for awhile. Decided to rectify that.

I got some carbon tips, and then 3D printed some trim rings for them. I need to up the outside diameter slightly to fill the gap fully, but this gives you an idea of how it'll look.

https://i.imgur.com/tzWpyPxl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZXlPZL8l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JNh04xKl.jpg



No trim ring:

https://i.imgur.com/rbU6Bjtl.jpg


Trim ring (a little too small but close):

https://i.imgur.com/AI59H2Gl.jpg

siggyfreud 08-21-2020 11:14 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Some finish sanding to do, but the revised version came out perfect in fit:

BEFORE:

http://i.imgur.com/rbU6Bjth.jpg

AFTER:

https://i.imgur.com/rl30idAh.jpg

1971Stepside 08-21-2020 02:49 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Looks great!

Kronald_70GMC 08-21-2020 09:17 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
:agree:

TA_C10 08-21-2020 11:08 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
:c2:

tigerchevelle 08-26-2020 04:26 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by siggyfreud (Post 8625318)
Hey there.

I'll have to measure the wheel wells, I forget what the measurements are on them.

Axle has not been shortened. Yeah it's a 70.5+ axle, so wider than the previous incarnation.

Here are my measurements I took for my wheels. They give you the details on how much back and front spacing I have. Hub and caliper specs are unique to my axles and Baer brakes.

https://i.ibb.co/Z2wFpxR/spacingspecs.png

"Wheels ordered!

Going with the Forgeline ML3C in a pearl grey. I really like how they look on the site, so just going with that.

"20x11 fronts with a 6.75" BS, 20x12 rears with a 7.75" BS"

Just for clarity,is this the Backspace you chose on post #40?
Looking to run the same wheel and tire size you have but I have a 70 c10 swb.
Axle is out of a 70 c10 longbed with leafs that I'm welding on the mounts for the truck arms.
Any help would be appreciated.
Phil

SCOTI 08-26-2020 05:01 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tigerchevelle (Post 8798417)
"Wheels ordered!

Going with the Forgeline ML3C in a pearl grey. I really like how they look on the site, so just going with that.

"20x11 fronts with a 6.75" BS, 20x12 rears with a 7.75" BS"

Just for clarity,is this the Backspace you chose on post #40?
Looking to run the same wheel and tire size you have but I have a 70 c10 swb.
Axle is out of a 70 c10 longbed with leafs that I'm welding on the mounts for the truck arms.
Any help would be appreciated.
Phil

You really need to validate the measurements on your specific vehicle. Every different part installed can change vs. a similar (but different) combo. You can use the numbers he listed to have an idea of a possible range but need to measure your truck to know the hard numbers.

siggyfreud 08-26-2020 06:19 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTI (Post 8798438)
You really need to validate the measurements on your specific vehicle. Every different part installed can change vs. a similar (but different) combo. You can use the numbers he listed to have an idea of a possible range but need to measure your truck to know the hard numbers.

I second this advice.

The wheel sizes I ended up with are in that post, yes. 20x11 fronts with a 6.75" BS, 20x12 rears with a 7.75" BS.

But I'd 100% measure it myself, especially when ordering custom wheels you can't return.

Also note that the fronts WILL interfere with the shock mount. And they will likely interfere with aftermarket lower control arms sway bar mount unless you relocate it like I did.

If you're not wanting to mess with that I'd go at least an inch narrower in the fronts, but again, measure it!

Also keep in mind that your rear end might be narrower depending on if it's an early or late 70', which will affect the offset you need.

I wanted wide tires on all 4 corners for two reasons. One, to increase braking performance by having a wider front pad. And two because a square stance is supposed to help counter understeer, which we have loads of in these.

Hope that helps.

tigerchevelle 08-27-2020 01:31 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by siggyfreud (Post 8798464)
I second this advice.

The wheel sizes I ended up with are in that post, yes. 20x11 fronts with a 6.75" BS, 20x12 rears with a 7.75" BS.

But I'd 100% measure it myself, especially when ordering custom wheels you can't return.

Also note that the fronts WILL interfere with the shock mount. And they will likely interfere with aftermarket lower control arms sway bar mount unless you relocate it like I did.

If you're not wanting to mess with that I'd go at least an inch narrower in the fronts, but again, measure it!

Also keep in mind that your rear end might be narrower depending on if it's an early or late 70', which will affect the offset you need.

I wanted wide tires on all 4 corners for two reasons. One, to increase braking performance by having a wider front pad. And two because a square stance is supposed to help counter understeer, which we have loads of in these.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info,yes as stated in know I should measure my truck,just wanted base line numbers to start with,I did this with my 72 chevelle and the norm for 70-72 with certain components a 315 sq,front 10.0 or 10.5 wide 5.5 bs, rears 10.00,11.00 wide,6.00 bs 315 30 18 clears fine I've seen as a trend most of the times the numbers are close,the we double check to make sure it fits.
Thanks for sharing!��
Btw what is your rear,axle flange to flange? Thanks!

tigerchevelle 08-27-2020 01:38 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Also as a note,when I had my wheels built my buddy was friends with the owners of intro wheels and they gave me a wheel center and hoop,that weren't welded,and I could play with the bs.

siggyfreud 08-27-2020 10:40 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
It should be 63 3/4", but I honestly never measured it. I had a tool that simulated different wheel sizes and threw a different tire sizes on it to test so I didn't really need to take that measurement specifically.

siggyfreud 08-30-2020 04:54 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Wider angle photo with the rings in.

https://i.imgur.com/HxXkmDIh.jpg

siggyfreud 09-03-2020 12:35 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Got a little sidetracked tonight doing some detail and finish work on the El Camino for a friend.

Printed a few fastener holders to dress up the radiator cover.

https://i.imgur.com/ucLH5g3h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Soc5vFGh.jpg

TA_C10 09-03-2020 06:26 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Those look great!

siggyfreud 09-14-2020 04:34 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Not much to report on the truck at the moment. Still waiting on some parts for the printer to continue prototyping. They should be shipping today/tomorrow.

I did, however, complete a correction/detail of the El Camino for a friend, and am pretty much wrapped up with that project, pending some brake calibration stuff. Feels good to finish something :).

https://i.imgur.com/40fKaABh.jpg

siggyfreud 01-26-2021 02:48 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Hey all,

Been a while since I've updated. I haven't done a ton on the truck as I've been working on developing my new business. But I did manage to swap in a 700R4 over this past week just to make the highway manners better. Still planning on a LT/8l90 swap down the road, but for now, this makes it nicer.

The next think I'm working on for it really is more for research purposes than the truck itself, but I'm working to 3D print a new thermostat housing to test how my carbon/nylon material holds up. On my 08' LR3 much of the cooling system is Nylon, so I think it'll be fine, and would be fun to be able to print custom reservoir tanks, housings, etc.

I know in the LS swap area some people are having to get LS>SBC adapters and use old thermostat housings to get the orientation they want for hoses, so being able to just print something would be fun.

Here is the design I have come up with:
https://i.imgur.com/kBx7J4hl.png

I printed the base to test and ensure it bolts down and properly fits the gasket pattern. Once I confirm that I'll print the whole thing and then install it and test it. This material is good to 150*C regular use, and 180*C peaks, so I think that's well within the 180-230*F that the engine should see. By the time this thing melts my engine would be toast anyways.

https://i.imgur.com/reRcP2El.jpg

That's all for now.

layinrocker65 01-26-2021 08:13 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Man I hope that thermostat housing works out. Is that 90*?

SkidmoreGarage 01-27-2021 12:22 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
I like your style. Not to be negative, but the pressure rating at 200*f may be lower than a hot cooling system- so maybe try running distilled water when testing to reduce cleanup in your garage. You may also run into cracking issues with the hose cantilevering on the nipple and vibrating.

Maybe a suggestion would be bonding a thin metal sleeve to strengthen the nipple side.

siggyfreud 01-27-2021 01:15 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SkidmoreGarage (Post 8870602)
I like your style. Not to be negative, but the pressure rating at 200*f may be lower than a hot cooling system- so maybe try running distilled water when testing to reduce cleanup in your garage. You may also run into cracking issues with the hose cantilevering on the nipple and vibrating.

Maybe a suggestion would be bonding a thin metal sleeve to strengthen the nipple side.

Will definitely be looking for cracking. I think the material will hold up so long as I print in the right thickness. Aside from thin pieces, like a mirror adapter I tried, this should have the strength of annealed aluminum. My Landrover uses nylon in the cooling system, thermostat housing included, that isn't fiber reinforced. My weakness is going to likely come from the layer lines, but I think it'll be okay. But yes, good idea to drain and test with distilled water instead :).

Here are the technical specs of the material: https://www.ultrafusefff.com/wp-cont...DS_EN_v3.3.pdf

siggyfreud 01-27-2021 01:17 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by layinrocker65 (Post 8870424)
Man I hope that thermostat housing works out. Is that 90*?

Yep 90* currently, but I can make it at whatever angle and orientation required.

siggyfreud 01-30-2021 12:34 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Made a little progress on the thermo housing.

Again, this is to mainly test the material in the heat, stress, and pressure. While there isn't a lot of point in just reprinting a readily available housing I've read of a few types of swaps or configurations where finding the right hose can be a pain in the ass, so the ability to make a custom housing could come in handy.

I ordered a gasket to verify dimensions. I also printed the hose-end to verify fitment with my upper radiator hose. All good. So now starting the 21-hour print for the full housing.

https://i.imgur.com/bV0vuw1l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n9sWElZl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UxQ3uU0l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/R5s9DEZl.png

More to come :).

TA_C10 01-31-2021 09:48 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Very cool man :thumbs:

siggyfreud 02-01-2021 12:59 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Well, unfortunately, I broke the glass removing the print, but a replacement printer is on the way anyways due to some issues they've since resolved, so I might have to wait a week before doing any more printing.

The good news is the test print finished and looks good enough to install this coming week. There are some rough spots where supports were I may sand down, but overall it looks good and is strong.

I'll thread the top for a 3/8NPT plug (or future temp sensor for electric fans).

Then I'll throw it in the SBC and test it out.

https://i.imgur.com/oKLqrKdl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/x3L0hiJl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NKAo7mSl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7VB8w4gl.jpg

layinrocker65 02-02-2021 12:57 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Very cool

TA_C10 02-07-2021 02:41 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
:agree:

Robznob11 02-23-2021 12:18 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
2 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by siggyfreud (Post 8800358)
Wider angle photo with the rings in.

https://i.imgur.com/HxXkmDIh.jpg

Lol, although I love what your doing the OG Ghost C10 has already been completed. Lol. Do you have an Instagram page? I'd like to see more of this build!

siggyfreud 03-10-2021 02:46 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robznob11 (Post 8884449)
Lol, although I love what your doing the OG Ghost C10 has already been completed. Lol. Do you have an Instagram page? I'd like to see more of this build!

I think I even posted in your thread at some point about that. I noticed your thread after I named this thing.

I do have an Instagram, but it's for more than just this build. It's for my new company. Elemental_Garage is the Instagram.

I'll ensure to pay homage to the OG Ghost :). I love your build.

siggyfreud 05-25-2021 01:18 AM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Been awhile! Sold my house a month back, and am living with the GF. We are currently building a 2020 Sprinter, so that's taking a lot of my spare time. I did get a little time with the truck recently though. A few developments.

Landed on the color: Going to go with GMC's Pacific Blue Metallic. I've seen it a few times and love it.

The color precipitated a name change. It was Ghost, because I was going to do it in white/offwhite. The color made me lean towards Poseidon for a name. The GF suggested "Ghost of Poseidon," and that's where I landed. Going to do a darker build, lots of black accents, and limited brightwork.

I tore out the wiring yesterday because it needs a full rewire. Going with the American Autowire Hwy 22 kit. The previous owner did some creative stuff for sure:

https://i.imgur.com/4Nv997Ml.jpg

Since I took the gauges out I figured I'd replace them with new ones. To go along with the theme I'm choosing black gauges, with the tach being red. I'm incorporating my company logo into the tach and will incorporate the Ghost of Poseidon Badge into the speed, once it's done. What I have now is a mockup, but it's close.

Instead of using the stock bezel I wanted to go with something a little different. Ring bro's makes a nice bezel out of aluminum, but it's $500. There is a carbon one you can but into for $260+, but . . . I really felt something unique calling.

I spent a few hours today in Fusion to recreate the bezel. I still need to model in the mounting holes. But here is what I came up with:

https://i.imgur.com/27N69Xfl.png


And here it is rendered with the gauges (though this render was before I added more indicator light locations:

https://i.imgur.com/ENXFCCah.png


Will have to print in two parts and assemble. If I don't like the seam line I may see someone about cutting it from aluminum and then powder-coating it.

That's all for now! Cheers all!

siggyfreud 05-25-2021 12:10 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Updated render with mounting locations, extra indicator spots, and build logo:

http://i.imgur.com/xGiaiNAh.png

Kronald_70GMC 05-25-2021 12:49 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Very cool! Will you be highlighting the trident on the faceplate? Maybe by doing like a gloss black against the satin. Really like the creativity on this build.

siggyfreud 05-25-2021 01:16 PM

Re: Project "Ghost" - 1972 C10 Pro-touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kronald_70GMC (Post 8924746)
Very cool! Will you be highlighting the trident on the faceplate? Maybe by doing like a gloss black against the satin. Really like the creativity on this build.

Not sure yet to be honest. I like the idea of keeping it subtle and more of an easter egg or something that doesn't just jump out at you. If I end up machining it out of aluminum I might give the trident some texture while keeping the rest of the face smooth or something. Printing half of it now to verify fitment and mounting, then will go from there.

I appreciate the kind comment as well :).


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