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hey guys, ive owned a ton of 60-72 pickups and have always wanted a AD truck! so i have found a 49 3100 that is very solid and has original paint and is exactly what i want! i always buy trucks with titles, if no title i do not mess with! so i talked to the owner and he said i have title to truck but only issue is its the original 49 NC title and it is signed by the owner that has his name on it . He said he purchased it basically as a open title and never did anything with it and has owned it many years. So im thinking no big deal and he said he wouldnt think so either only if the guy had deceased. So now im suppose to go pick this truck up saturday and want to make sure i have my ducks in a row! I hope hes being honest with me on the fact he just bought it and never did anything with title, im just worried he told me that for a reason because he tried and had no luck! What do you guys think about this? here in sc we dont have inspections and ive never had any issues with getting a title in my name before, i even had a 69 c10 i purchased and it was same way no problem tho. i just worry about this title being so old, and chances are the original owner isnt around anymore, i may have issues. thanks for any help, i figured there has to be some of you guys run into same problem.

Chris

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Do you have a signed title?

Does the ID number on the title match that on the truck?

If answer to both questions is yes, then buy the truck.

Skipping owners is common on old truck titles.

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You could complete the sale at the NC DMV, then at least you are certain that the title can be transferred to your name. Not sure how the sales tax would work though.

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depending on the age of the title and the length of time since it was last registered, your state may have dropped it from their records. in kansas if someone offers me a 1980 issued title, skipped or not, I know I will need a bill of sale and an MVE VIN inspection, the title isnt useful except as a wall hanger.

another thing is that these trucks were usually titled on the ENGINE number which is on the flat pad behind the distributo, not the body ID in the door jamb. so if the title matches the engine number and you plan to change the engine, you will need to have it changed to the body number.


if your state is like mine, it will have a procedure for an old truck with an old title. here a 49 is older than 1950 and can be sold and titled in a bill of sale. a 50 can be sold on a bill of sale but will need an MVE VIN inspection, basically they just verify the VIN hasnt been tampered with and that it hasnt been registered for a long time. but if the frame is a late model IFS, or the engine isnt original (meaning a V8 or some other kind), or if the truck is in a million pieces, they will give it a constructed vehicle title. I stick to 49 and down for that reason, 10 minute titles.

call the DMV and look on the DMV website about antique vehicles.

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I agree with Driver_WT. Here in TX, i have bought and sold many vehicles with open titles. No problem, most of the time. But, un-forseen issues can arise from time to time. Just as he suggested; go to the DMV to complete the sale. OR, go to a local used car dealer and ask for their professional opinion. If anyone knows title issues and how to spot one, it is them.

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Thanks guys! So he sent me s pic of title and it’s actually dated in 1957, the same name on front did sign on the back and dated it in 1982 so he owned it quiet awhile! I don’t see a problem here being he signed it and it’s basically a open title. Far as going to nc dmv and finishing sale not sure how that would work being I have a sc address. I’ve sold many with open titles, this one just scared me because it’s so old. Thanks for everything I think I’m gonna have him do a nc bill of sale to go with it just to be safe and take my chances! Thanks again

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One issue I have run into in situations like this is titles that are dated at the time of sale as here in this state you pay a penalty if you went over X days. That might make it rather obvious that the rig changed hands a few times without being transferred but may not be a big issue changing states.

I'd think the key here is that the vin on the title actually matches either the cab number or engine number exactly you are probably good but I would check with my state's dmv and just ask what hoops you have to go though with an old truck that hasn't been driven or licensed in the other state for years but has a title. I truly dislike the overused and misused term "barn find" but this might be a good time to say you are looking at buying a barn find truck with title from NC and what do you have to do to simplify things.


From this Registering Vehicle Without a Title

The SCDMV will register your out-of-state vehicle without a title depending on the vehicle's year and the year the other state started titling vehicles. In this case, you will need the Bill of Sale.

You may pick up your Bill of Sale at an SCDMV branch or it may be mailed to you. It must be an original. That was taken from this site. http://www.scdmvonline.com/Vehicle-O...nsfer-My-Title It looks like you can only use a bill of sale for vehicles that come from no title states Mening if you bought the truck in a "we don't issue titles for vehicles older than___" state they accept THAT bill of sale form that you have to pick up at the SC dmv.

I cannot find anything on where a vehicle has to be inspected when you take it in from another state. You should already know if it has to be though. If that is the case I would roll into the inspection station with it on the trailer with it's barn find dust in place and see about getting it inspected.

I do see some pretty spendy fees for titling an out of state vehicle in SC. Looks if you buy plates for it right off the bat it will come to around 400 on the other hand they do let you go title purpose only. No plates or registration but a clear title in your name. Then when you have it running and ready to drive you go down and deal with the registration and plates. They let us to that here on vehicles we don't plan on driving for one reason or another and it saves a lot of hassles and registration fees on project vehicles.

The only real issue I see is that it may take longer to get the title back from SC because of the wait for the old one to come back as clear. That probably means they have to wait until someone goes and digs though files in the archives to find the NC copy of the title.

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So... just throwing this out for thought. 2019-1982=37. If you are not at least 55 years old then you were not old enough to legally own the truck when the title was signed. If you are not at least 37 years old then you could not have existed when the title was signed. Will that cause a problem?? I dunno...

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thanks so much for researching all this info! you guys are the best

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good thinking...hmmm. thanks for the info

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With the title being pre signed is no big deal. The good thing is you have a title and endorsed by the registered owner. Take it to your DMV office and all should be OK
Vic

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Thanks guys for all your help! I got the truck yesterday! Pretty happy with how solid it is and how great the original paint looks! Can’t wait to get started on it, I’m thinking a s10 frame swap, keep the patina! Fix any rust spots to make it rust free and blend paint close as possible! I want to drive the truck a lot and never worry about reliability so prob a 6L/80e, done several of these in the 67-72s and love the combo. Here is a few pics I have of it!

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Nice truck. Congratulations. I will be following your progress.

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Thanks! I’ll be sure to post any updates as I progress!!

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That looks great. It looks good and I'll bet it will be worth the effort.

Question: What is on top of the pole above the white car in the background of the top picture?

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Thanks! We stopped to grab lunch at McDonald’s that was the drive thru

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I can see it now. lol. For some reason my eyes kept seeing a yellow prop plane.

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as long as there isnt a date on it, and the number on the firewall is the number in the door jamb (not the motor number), you should be swimming.

but chances are, its got the motor number on it, which isnt anywhere except the motor. and a 57 title last in the system in 82, thats a historical document there, likely there is no record of it at the DMV any more.

get a bill of sale, with the door jamb number on it. have it inspected right now. too many guys wait till they are done with their projects to title them and run into problems, I dont even turn a single wrench without a clean title in my name.

good luck, lots of help here. start a project thread in the project forum when you get going!

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I agree. First thing I did was get the title in my name.

Wade

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Ditto!

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Thanks for all the advice guys I really appreciate it! And yes I will have to start a build thread!

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Thanks for all the advice guys I really appreciate it! And yes I will have to start a build thread!

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My vote is for the stock chassis and a new I F S, if the frame is solid

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yessir, that is my new plan, being researching hard, and it would be easier to keep my stock wood bed floor going low like i want to and few other perks! what are you guys using far as ifs, heard of scotts street rod components and fatman, heidts, and cpp and even seen kits on speedway motors. im leaning toward the cpp because it comes with everthing including the rear drop springs and brake booster to mount on frame! would love yalls opinion! thanks

chris

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Any info to share on how the title transfer went? I did one that hadn't been registered since 1954 once but it was in state. Took a couple weeks for them to resurrect the numbers but always curious how it's working elsewhere.

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So sorry, life has been busy and I haven’t been on here in a long time. Being I’m only 34 I didn’t take the chance of trying to put in my name so my dad who is 64 signed it at the time and took to local dmv and no issues. Then I just had him sign it over to me and I now have updated title in my name!

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Update on the truck for those interested. I did keep stock frame rails and did a mustang ifs up front and 4 link in rear. I fixed almost all of the rust areas and blended best we could. All new glass and weather stripping, decided to do just a bone stock freshened up 5.3 with a 65e. Truck is being wired as we speak with all new wiring and ls stand alone harness, vintage air and its prob about 2-3 months from hopefully being ready to drive!

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Pics

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If you have a chance check out the "Delaware loophole". It's on their state site and they will walk you through it. Basically if your vehicle is 15 years old and has not been stolen in the last 10 years you can get registration in Delaware with no residency requirement. Delaware does not issue titles on vehicles over 15 years old. You then take the registration to your state BMV and transfer the registration. Your state will then issue a title. Since Delaware does not issue titles on vehicles over 15 years old your state cannot require it. This is used a lot on exotic cars with questionable origins.

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i thought that was vermont?


nice update on the truck!

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Cool that you got the papers squared away and are making serious progress on it.

There are two or three states that are favorites for laundering stolen vehicles. Vermont seems to be at the top of the list right now. Just as many states redflag any title that was prepared by Broadmore Title company you can bet that Vermont titles will be cause for a red flag on vehicles in other states before long.

fourspeed wagon and I probably use the same license and title office in Union Gap that in my estimation is the best in the state of Washington. Owner with vast knowledge who trains his clerks well and they gain that knowledge and or aren't bashful about asking him or the more experienced clerks about an issue. Older Washington Titles that are out of the system you have to wait until they send some clerk back to dig in the files in archives in Olympia for the paper copy. I had to do that with my 71 GMC that my aunt gave me as it hadn't been registered for a number of years after my cousin's kids blew the engine up. That and the fact that later my aunt gave me the original title my uncle had that had been "lost" in the drawer. That title will show up as being replaced as a lost title if you were to take it into transfer it.

The 51 4100 that I have has an Oregon title with the engine number and no engine. The Oregon plate number is on the title and the rusty beat up Oregon plate that matches is still on the back of the truck and is staying there until I have a clear Washington title.

Still a bill of sale from the seller even with a title especially if you are crossing state lines. It might not be a bad idea to get the seller to go with you to a notary to do the bill of sale and have it notarized in many cases.

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Great work on aging those fender repairs! Would you share what you did to accomplish that? Especially if you used a green color to "match" the original what was it?

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Nice.

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I could certainly be wrong. In Indiana I went the normal rout on my 53. I bought and titled it in Cali in 1980. The paper title was long gone when I tried to register it in Indiana in 2018. it took 3 court orders and 4 months to get a title on a truck in Indiana I owned since 1980. I still had the personal cal. plate. 53 6 POPR

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That's a lot of trouble for not applying for a lost title from Cali. Especially if you have an old registration slip and the plate number.

That local to fourspeedwagon and I license office can bring up every vehicle that is titled in your name that is in the computer in about 15 seconds as I have seen it happen, I have even walked in and bought tabs for cars with no paperwork except my drivers license. They find you, they find what vehicles you own that are in the computer and done. When I got my Chinook camper for my 71 the gal who gave it to me only had the letter that said she was the executor of her late husbands estate. Lucky the owner of the place knew both of us but lost title and all it took less than ten minutes to transfer the title and for me to get new plates and registration. The skill and knowledge of the person you are dealing with means a lot. The folks at that office will boot you out the door so fast it will make your head swim if you are trying to pull something bogus though.

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Nice shop! any info on the Burb in the background? :):metal:

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About finished with truck

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Pic

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I'm assuming that you went though Cascade and I had to have them do the same thing on my 71 that had belonged to my uncle with a Washington title that hadn't been licensed for a number of years. A few days wait until the clerk in Olympia went back and dug through the files. If the owner of Cascade doesn't know the answer he has the phone number of the person in Olympia that does though.