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davischevy 12-13-2017 10:33 PM

Sold American!
 
I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember the Lucky Strike cigarette commercial where the auctioneer ended his chant with "Sold American!"

I am a "Buy American" kind of guy. I figure we are in this together, and when I'm buying goods I'm going to support a fellow American if I can.

This ramble was started by ITTR's SK ratchet thread. I started wondering how many wrenches and hand tools were still manufactured in the USA.

I wasn't aware that SK Tools as we know it filed bankruptcy, but were bought up by a bigger company and their quality is pretty much where it was in their heyday.

I actually found several brands still made in the USA, so I can still buy wrenches.

Advanced Design 12-13-2017 10:37 PM

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What brands are made in USA?

I bought a Carhart coat yesterday and is was labeled made in USA.

pritch 12-13-2017 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Advanced Design (Post 8104464)
What brands are made in USA?

I bought a Carhart coat yesterday and is was labeled made in USA.

Musta been NOS. All the ones I was looking at said Viet Nam.:lol: They was the kids sizes, though, maybe those are different.

I try to buy American when I can, try to shop local when I can. It gets harder and harder, though.

davischevy 12-13-2017 10:56 PM

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Armstrong – Part of the Apex Tool Group
Proto – Part of Stanley Black & Decker
SK*Hand Tool – Now part of Ideal Industries
Williams – Part of Snap-on Industrial Group
Wright – An independent manufacturer
Snap On
Channellock (not all)
Craftsman (not all)
Klein Tools (not all)
Wilde Tool

These are the ones that make wrenches. I'm sure I missed somebody.

davischevy 12-13-2017 11:10 PM

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Pritch, I too believe in shop local, but, yes it gets harder and harder.

I have noticed you, like us, travel some to job locations.

I will never figure out why the locals will hire a contractor from out of town, then we have to travel to work in another town. A lot of our people spend the week away from home.

A couple years ago the local school hired a construction manager from down south, and within a week one of the teachers called wanting us to donate goods and labor for a school project. DUH.

Only about 20% of our sales come from within the county. Of course the other 80% is under ground utilities and treatment plants, so we would have to travel anyway.

Oh well, I'm happy.

Killer Bee 12-14-2017 12:17 AM

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I smoked a few cartons of lucky strike when supplies were short in desert storm :smoke:

as for good 'ol American tools, Snap-on!

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special-K 12-14-2017 06:36 AM

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It has gotten harder and harder to buy American every year since I was born. It has gone from being able to buy nothing imported to taking great effort to find a USA made product. And USA made now could mean by a foreign owner company. I am American labor, therefore I feel an instinct to protect that. I have been buying American my whole adult life, since the early '70s. I remember when it became hard to buy a camera or stereo that wasn't made in Japan and it appeared Japan made was the only choice. Back then you bought something from another country to get what they were known for, like a Swiss watch or Italian floor tiles, or Sake from Japan

A few at the top have gotten multiple times richer by selling us out by moving production abroad. As cheaply as things can be produced in China we should be paying prices from the '60s. We still have inflation as bad as ever. Companies make such a larger margin that they can go buy up competition just to shut them down...all in partnership with our bailed out banks.

Popcorn W 12-14-2017 09:35 AM

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I had a neighbor years ago who was in Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked.
While attending his funeral, his daughter told me about how her and her husband thought about buying a Japanese car and had mentioned it to her dad. He told her: "That's fine. I hear they're good cars. But when you visit me, do not park it in my driveway."

Me personally, I've never had a non-American made car titled in my name except for one VW bug when I was a kid.
I'm not real political but I just don't understand how we got to this point. Almost everything we buy now days is manufactured in a Communist country that we have bad relations with. Do we even have an embassy in China?

A1971Blazer 12-14-2017 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Popcorn W (Post 8104702)
I had a neighbor years ago who was in Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked.
While attending his funeral, his daughter told me about how her and her husband thought about buying a Japanese car and had mentioned it to her dad. He told her: "That's fine. I hear they're good cars. But when you visit me, do not park it in my driveway."

Me personally, I've never had a non-American made car titled in my name except for one VW bug when I was a kid.
I'm not real political but I just don't understand how we got to this point. Almost everything we buy now days is manufactured in a Communist country that we have bad relations with. Do we even have an embassy in China?

My uncle was in the US Navy in WWII....his ship was hit by a Japanese Kamikaze and the crew had to abandon ship....he would never buy ANYTHING made in Japan....

Coley 12-14-2017 02:19 PM

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There are some very good points here...and it is tough to 'buy locally' sometimes despite our traditional 'leanings'....and the 'levelling point' for most people's choices usually lies (quietly) in the price and what we feel we can afford.
The best example on this website it the very high rate of guys buying and pushing the idea of 'crate engines'...most of which are outsourced and built in Mexico, which is why they are so economical.
The idea of having an engine built (or rebuilt) locally instead is not very popular...mostly because it will be more expensive....but at the end of the day, there is a reason for that... and the (American or Canadian) guy building the motor would naturally support....particularly if it was you or me and our living and pay check at stake.
One the vehicle choice thing...competition is good for quality, even if its international competition.

Interesting discussion....

all good
Coley

leddzepp 12-14-2017 03:56 PM

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So do I buy junk from China, and support the American company that outsourced to them...or do I buy quality stuff from Japan and support the Japanese company :confused:

davischevy 12-14-2017 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by leddzepp (Post 8104962)
So do I buy junk from China, and support the American company that outsourced to them...or do I buy quality stuff from Japan and support the Japanese company :confused:

That is the question.

With items I buy on a regular basis I try to weigh the facts. I am no more fond of American companies that sold the workers out than I am of buying from a communist country.

Toyota is the perfect argument to my OP. A foreign company (neg), has plants in the USA (+), Pays workers well (+), builds a quality product (+). Even thought the profits go to Japan the wages stay here. I can tell you from experience the wages are a lot more than the profits. I respect that more than a US company outsourcing the labor, then deferring the profits offshore to avoid taxes.

This is getting more complicated than I intended.

In The Ten Ring 12-14-2017 04:37 PM

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During the last election, I went to see my old welding instructor and I noticed a new band saw. He told me how he had decided to only buy American because of a certain candidate's position....


I think it's a good idea to buy local first and national (American) if possible. The problem is cost....so many American companies cannot compete with the indentured servant labor overseas.....also once an American company gets big enough, it usually moves production and customer service abroad for the same reason of cost.

davischevy 12-14-2017 04:44 PM

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The indentured servant will eventually become more savvy and demand higher wages.

But if people smarter than me are correct, computers and 3d printers are going to displace so many workers there won't be enough jobs.

Of course right now there are not enough workers. We need more people every day.

Coley 12-14-2017 04:58 PM

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"..The indentured servant will eventually become more savvy and demand higher wages."

Very good point....

I work in engineering and I was in China this past summer and their middle class is booming...particularly anyone who is reasonably educated....such as engineers, tekkies, management, etc.
Its not uncommon for this group to see double digit raises every year due to their economy.
The group that is not getting this advantage is the uneducated 'labor' group...at least not yet, but the push for better wages etc is constant there.
All of this means that their prices go up every year relative to anything that is outsourced there....so the clock is ticking.
So apparently 'paradise found....is also paradise lost' when it comes to cheap labor that eventually brings wealth to those who create it.

Coley

davischevy 12-14-2017 05:17 PM

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My uncle works in aerospace. He spent a lot of time In China over the last ten years.

I asked him this summer about the China project and he said they had aborted the whole thing, because the quality VS cost didn't compute for them.

A bit of trivia that might surprise you about us hillbillys. Arkansas' #1 export is aerospace.

Coley 12-14-2017 05:35 PM

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"...A bit of trivia that might surprise you about us hillbillys. Arkansas' #1 export is aerospace"

doesn't surprise me at all....that said, I think Canada's number one export are professional hockey players, lol.

jeffahart 12-14-2017 08:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leddzepp (Post 8104962)
So do I buy junk from China, and support the American company that outsourced to them...or do I buy quality stuff from Japan and support the Japanese company :confused:

When it comes to something like the steel in a U-joint.... Japan hands down! When I was younger, I never thought there would be a point in my life I would be asking for Japanese steel. That time came a decade ago. Japanese steel over Chinese for sure... some of the Chinese stuff is good, but you just cannot trust where it came from. I feel the there is more consistency in the Japanese steel.

I feel like the problem now is that... they have applied the everything is disposable to automitive replacement parts! Bummer!

Popcorn W 12-14-2017 09:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davischevy (Post 8104987)
Toyota is the perfect argument to my OP. A foreign company (neg), has plants in the USA (+), Pays workers well (+), builds a quality product (+). Even thought the profits go to Japan the wages stay here.

Toyota plants in the US always seems to come up in these discussions. They're creating American jobs.
Consider this:
I don't know how many man-hours it takes to build a new car. Let's assume for the sake of argument it's 1,000.
If you had bought a Chevy instead of a Toyota, that's a UAW job that would have gone to a GM employee for 1,000 hours instead of him working at Toyota, and the profits would have gone to Detroit instead of Tokyo.

CG 12-14-2017 10:13 PM

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I'm going to buy my grandson his first tool set this year. He's only five, there is no way I'm going to spend big bucks on his first set. Ill probably pick up a small Craftsman set.

If he turns in to a wrencher Ill give him gifts of nicer tools as he grows older and stay American made.

special-K 12-14-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Coley (Post 8105034)
"...A bit of trivia that might surprise you about us hillbillys. Arkansas' #1 export is aerospace"

Is that what y'all call chickens?

davischevy 12-14-2017 11:04 PM

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Agriculture being our largest industry, chickens are a big part of that.

Cotton is no longer king. Arkansas produces about half the rice in the united states.

leddzepp 12-15-2017 12:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Popcorn W (Post 8105214)
Toyota plants in the US always seems to come up in these discussions. They're creating American jobs.
Consider this:
I don't know how many man-hours it takes to build a new car. Let's assume for the sake of argument it's 1,000.
If you had bought a Chevy instead of a Toyota, that's a UAW job that would have gone to a GM employee for 1,000 hours instead of him working at Toyota, and the profits would have gone to Detroit instead of Tokyo.

If you buy a Chevy instead of a Toyota, think of the $1000’s more in maintenance and replacing parts in the years that follow. I own both...a 2001 Yukon XL and a 2003 4Runner.

I have replaced every component on the Yukon, some twice, even three times (fuel pump comes to mind), AC pump, intake gaskets, radiator, surge tank, alternator, water pump, countless ABS sensor problems (finally just pulled the plug on it), O2 sensors, the “air ride” compressor gave out ages ago, has an oil leak, headliner is falling down, etc...

I have replaced the gas cap on the 4Runner because the seal rotted out after 12 years and caused a vacuum leak.

It’s sad, but there is no comparison.

CG 12-15-2017 01:56 AM

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The Toyotas do seem to run pretty well. 322K on my Toyota pick up. Then went to the Scion XB 314K .. I'm 75K into my 2015 XB, no major problems with any of em.

I got around 200K on my Astro van before it had a trans problem. I think my wife's Trailblazer was doing fine also around 200K when it went to one of the sons and she got a Honda CRV.

She has had five new cars since we've been together (all US except for the latest) and the only one that sucked, well we liked it just fine until the trans went out, was her Ford Escape. That trans was a killer.

'63GENIII 12-15-2017 03:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffahart (Post 8105183)
When it comes to something like the steel in a U-joint.... Japan hands down! When I was younger, I never thought there would be a point in my life I would be asking for Japanese steel. That time came a decade ago. Japanese steel over Chinese for sure... some of the Chinese stuff is good, but you just cannot trust where it came from. I feel the there is more consistency in the Japanese steel.

I feel like the problem now is that... they have applied the everything is disposable to automitive replacement parts! Bummer!

Exactly..

When building the front 44 on the '63, I bought Timken inner and outer wheel bearings only to find... made in China. I was floored. I returned those and used the KOYO bearings stamped Japan. They still looked good and my local indy parts guys swore up and down by them over the Frienemy bearings. Very sad day to see that Timken had broke down to building over there. Trust gone.

Work clothes.

Used to be a Carhart guy all the way. Still have a few jackets and pairs of pants made here. My newer work clothes are Bens. Boot are a big one. Lotsa guys at work like the Timberlands or Cats BC they're cheap. Ive worn Whites, Wesco and now onto Chippewa Super Loggers. Yes they're double + what the Cats and TL boots cost but they last 2 if not 3 times as long as the cheaper boots, wear and protect my feet better and are way more comfortable in all seasons.

It has gotten tougher to find USA on the label anymore.

davischevy 12-15-2017 12:24 PM

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The company uniform jeans I wear every day are Carhart's made in Mexico.

The uniform shirts are made in Haiti.

'63GENIII 12-15-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by davischevy (Post 8105717)
The company uniform jeans I wear every day are Carhart's made in Mexico.

The uniform shirts are made in Haiti.

That's interesting. We all have to wear Carhart FR clothing and I've never thought to look where it's made. Gonna look at that today

Coley 12-15-2017 01:55 PM

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Some very good points here about Toyota.
The japanese car industry is arguably the best thing that ever happened to the American car industry over the last 40 years I think.
The quality and reliability of the Japanese vehicles, particularly Toyota...seriously eclipsed a lot of the poor quality that rolled out of detroit (or Berlin) in the 80's.
This forced everyone to up their game and get on track...North American and European.

I've had both American and japanese....and those Toyota's are darn near bullet proof. Not always the best looking vehicles but very reliable and tight.

As for the German stuff....despite the appearance and german cachet and class 'optics'...their cars still suffer from being unreliable after a few years, hence their immense depreciation.
For some reason....the german's don't understand electricity and electronics, lol...despite their great flair for mechanical, appearance and appointments lol.

all good
Coley

68c10airstream 12-15-2017 11:22 PM

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As a past dealer mechanic, in the late 90's i worked at a dodge jeep eagle dealer, and we owned a toyota and gmc brand. Because of financial issues they sold off the gmc and toyota brands. Afterwords i asked about the toyota T5 trucks costing as much or more than a comparable gm truck and he told me (he loved toyota's) that the company had an extra $5,000 in clear profits built into every one of them!! I asked him why?? He said " toyota said we could inflate a toyota trade in price by using the $5,000 at their discretion! He also said he could sell them all day lond at invoice and still make the $5,000! Boy if a us company did that would there be an outcry.

Here is what i noticed about the typical usa/foreign mindset; This is exactly what happened. This customer had a dodge minivan and a eagle talon (mitsubishi eclipse). This guy would come in with owner's manual for the talon in hand, highlighted areas of MAINTENANCE to be performed. Asked if he wanted an estimate? NO, just do it. At 50,000 miles, timing belt, water pump while we are in there, balance shaft belt, etc, etc, etc,. Now here is the good part!! His dodge minivan comes in hooked up to the wrecker with an antifreeze leat at 90,000 miles. Waterpump leaking, an easy external part to fix at a relative low cost. He comes to pick it up and *****es extensively about that repair. Hum, let me see, the same brain begged us to maintain his eagle talon, but spent 0000 dollars on maintenance on his dodge and *****ed about the waterpump repair! Isn't that ironic.

My neighbor (fantastic guy) has a 2009 toyota 4 runner with a v8 at 80,000 miles. I go over in detail his projected costs for timing belt ,water pump, and oh yah valve adjustment with these select fit discs that will need to be ordered and the expense associated with these and the local dealer is awful (owner went to jail for odometer tampering). I saved him gobs of money fixing a cracked exhaust manifold (it also contained the upstream primary catalytic converter($1400 i believe) and now the passenger side is doing the same thing.

So i drive my 2014 dodge durango 5.7 hemi v8 AWD with a lifetime, yes a LIFETIME service contract for both my wife and me. Cost up front $2900 dollars (discounted from the selling dealer) and $100 deductable. Covers all electronics and drivetrain except brakes and tires. Towing covered, and up to $1,000 in associated lodging.

i used to love subarus and worked as a subaru dealer mechanic from the 70's into the 90's. This fall pulled the daughter's 2009 forester engine at 110,00 miles to do the full service, t belt, tensioner, water pump all spinning idlers, headgaskets, noticed sunken exhaust guides= valvejob, full clutch job while it's out, replace almost rusted through oil pan, crank seals, yada,yada, and my discounted oem parts (25 percent discount from suggested list) cost me $1700.00 dollars. This would be an almost $4,000 retail repair!

Willie Makeit 12-20-2017 05:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Popcorn W (Post 8105214)
Toyota plants in the US always seems to come up in these discussions. They're creating American jobs.
Consider this:
I don't know how many man-hours it takes to build a new car. Let's assume for the sake of argument it's 1,000.
If you had bought a Chevy instead of a Toyota, that's a UAW job that would have gone to a GM employee for 1,000 hours instead of him working at Toyota, and the profits would have gone to Detroit instead of Tokyo.

lmao. the UAW is the reason the US auto industry is in the shape it is.

That GM plant you dream of that's full of American workers? GM has already moved that plant to Canada and/or Mexico and used the profits that you said go back to Detroit to pay ME, the us taxpayer, back for their bail out.

speaking of those "profits" when was the last time GM sent you a profit sharing check? last I checked, my Toyota stock was trading >$125 USD & paying 2.95% yield. GM? trading at less than $45.

special-K 12-20-2017 07:53 PM

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Estwing hammers, made in USA. Many tools are still USA made if you look.

I was looking at bowls for cereal at Walmart. I see two styles I would buy. One is ceramic with a glaze and the other blue glass. The ceramic will chip easier. The glass is thick and seems like quality. The ceramic is $1.50 and made in China. I look at the glass and it's $1.00 and made in USA by Pyrex! What the? Here we have a time tested brand name quality USA product of a superior material selling for 33% less on the same shelf. I thought it was a mistake.

davischevy 12-20-2017 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K (Post 8110166)
Estwing hammers, made in USA. Many tools are still USA made if you look.

I was looking at bowls for cereal at Walmart. I see two styles I would buy. One is ceramic with a glaze and the other blue glass. The ceramic will chip easier. The glass is thick and seems like quality. The ceramic is $1.50 and made in China. I look at the glass and it's $1.00 and made in USA by Pyrex! What the? Here we have a time tested brand name quality USA product of a superior material selling for 33% less on the same shelf. I thought it was a mistake.

I'll bet the blue glass is curdled milk proof too.

I always wonder how much lead is in the China ceramic.

100%Chevy 12-20-2017 08:51 PM

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About 3 years ago,I broke my axe.
I put it on an oak log and drive it in with a small mall.So,i broke it.
i looked everywhere for an American made axe.Couldn't find one at any local stores.
When at Wal-Mart,I found 3-all made overseas.
But,one kinda pissed me off,because it had a Made in America label on it,but the fine print said-Made in Taiwan,assembled in Viet Nam!Packaged and labeled in the USA!
Ended up in a big argument with the department manager over it,saying I refuse to buy anything that is mis-labeled like this axe.
This wouldn't have happened when Sam Walton was alive!
I bought a good used axe at the flea market.
Also found there are American made axes,but they are very expensive!
Now,I've found that big box stores don't sell what you want.They will give you a couple choices of products that they can make the most profit on.The higher price American made products never get to the shelves.Not enough profit in it!
And,most people don't care-They want the cheapest they can find!
We have to change our attitude before we can improve the quality of our lives.
Mike.:chevy:

davischevy 12-20-2017 09:12 PM

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A great number of the people that work in the Wal Mart hdqtrs weren't Made in America either.

special-K 12-21-2017 07:24 AM

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Nope, curdled right up. But... the sides are steep so the oatmeal never boils out. Tapered bowls will make you a nice mess in the microwave if not careful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%Chevy (Post 8110214)
Now,I've found that big box stores don't sell what you want.They will give you a couple choices of products that they can make the most profit on.The higher price American made products never get to the shelves.Not enough profit in it!
And,most people don't care-They want the cheapest they can find!
We have to change our attitude before we can improve the quality of our lives.
Mike.:chevy:

Exactly! They decide what we need based on what's best for them... their best deal on a sea-tainer full or box car load. You also lose consistency. If they do happen to offer a quality product you are satisfied with, try buying another one six months, a year, or whenever later. That product will likely be replaced with the next bargain THEY got.

I buy old stuff made in USA all the time. I am involved in retail buying as little as possible. I put more effort into what I don't buy than into buying. There is very little offered that I need or want. I love a quality made item, if you can find it new. Think twice about throwing that old American made thing that broke. Can it be fixed? Think about fixing it. Repair shops will tell you "It will cost as much to fix this as buying a new one". Yeah well, the difference is the old thing made in USA that lasted 30 years before breaking is more worth a repair than buying that new junk made over seas sold at the same price. I say "I'm not here to fatten Mr. Soldusout's pockets. I'm here to get the product that serves me best. Let's fix it"

Coley 12-21-2017 12:31 PM

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Here is a quick test and move to 'doing the right thing'.
Try to avoid going into Walmart for one month....particularly at this time of year.
If you have to shop, do a little searching and see if you can find a locally owned store and they might be more likely to have 'home grown' items.
You will have to pay more.....so pay more....just buy less quantity.
Note: this is also where things usually, quietly fall apart....given that people have become addicted to 'cheap' prices and thats a bad habit to break
For myself...I haven't darkened the doorstep of walmart in about 4 years and that was to buy a set of walkie talkies for a road trip we were on. I don't expect to be in there for another 4 years, maybe 5...lol

all good
Coley

special-K 12-22-2017 07:29 AM

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I never went to Walmart, Home Depot or any of the big box stores when they first came around. Then they put other businesses out so it's hard not to deal with them. But nw that I deal with these places I still don't buy anything made overseas that domestic is available. Most of the made in China stuff I buy at those places are what everyone else is selling at the local shops, where there is still one left. Our hardware store is an Ace, so really same thing, but they are local and I want them to remain so I deal with them as much as I can. It is hard for the consumer to follow any sort of conscientious buying creedo when at the manufacturing level corporations have taking their craft abroad after they bought out the smaller businesses. The problem starts at the monster corporation level and that's the business model that is shaping our choices. It's go big or stay home these days. This is what the banks who run the country want. Not a bunch of smaller loans to so many smaller weaker businesses. They want to put endless amounts of money into the dominant business to help it buy others out and build more stores for Generica.

100%Chevy 12-22-2017 11:16 AM

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That's how we cheated the American Indian out of their real estate.
We traded them cheap shiney stuff and made them sign contracts for it!
Mike.:chevy:

Coley 12-22-2017 11:50 AM

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Now that I think about it...Amazon is supposedly bigger than Walmart now.
This is probably lends itself to the online shopping trend that is replacing the 'bricks and mortar' business option.
In our city there is more and more business space available to rent every year as more businesses drop out out of the 'in person' shopping world and move into the online shopping world....rent free.
I'm not sure what this does for the content they sell tho' and where it's made.


Coley

davischevy 12-22-2017 01:00 PM

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I always check the local stores first.

I read in my research that Menards has in house line of American made tools. I didn't check it our yet.


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