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5Tractorguy 11-12-2022 03:34 PM

350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Have an overheating problem with the rebuilt 350 in my 1-ton. I'm at wits end trying to figure it out, has to be something simple. Hoping someone here may have an answer...

350, bored .030 over with a Melling MTC-1 Cam and 333882 heads
New stock water pump
New 180-deg thermostat (this is the 3rd thermostat this week we tried).
New thermostat elbow
New radiator hoses top and bottom
Radiator was new about 6-8yrs ago (has been flushed during all this, clean as a whistle, even looking in with a flashlight, no buildup).

- I was able to run the engine for the cam break-in without the thermostat, the pump is pushing coolant, and the engine did stay cool for the break-in run.

- But as soon as I installed the thermostat, it overheats... every time. The pass side of the rad is getting hot (where the heater core cycles through) and the drivers side is cool.

- Confirmed that the thermostat is opening when hot by removing the rad cap, blowing back through the top rad hose towards engine and having the coolant rise/spill over rad fill.

- The radiator fins are clean, the fan is spinning, belts are tight, fan clutch is good, rad does have a fan shroud.

- I've tried leaving the rad cap off to purge it, rigging up a bypass line from pump to intake manifold, pinching off the heater core, pulling different intake plugs or hoses to burp it, etc.

So before I go buy a new radiator, or do something drastic like pull the engine apart... anyone got any ideas?

cadillac_al 11-12-2022 05:15 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
How hot is hot? boiling over? That is weird that the radiator is cool on one side.

hotsam 11-12-2022 05:22 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
This may sound crazy but is your timing advancing correctly when the advance is hooked to vacuum? The radiator temp difference does seem strange though..

hotsam 11-12-2022 05:24 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Also it's not sucking a hose flat when thermostat is in and cap on ??

5Tractorguy 11-12-2022 06:17 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cadillac_al (Post 9143703)
How hot is hot? boiling over? That is weird that the radiator is cool on one side.

Got hot enough to boil for a brief minute in the top hose once... I didn't run it as long thereafter so nothing would be damaged.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hotsam (Post 9143704)
This may sound crazy but is your timing advancing correctly when the advance is hooked to vacuum? The radiator temp difference does seem strange though..

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotsam (Post 9143705)
Also it's not sucking a hose flat when thermostat is in and cap on ??

Believe so, though I will double check tomorrow. It's currently set to 8deg, when I plugged the vacuum advance line back in there was a significant difference, but the mark stayed at 8 last I remember checking...

Negatory on the flat hose, maintains form.


So, I seemed to have licked it. Was a bad (brand new) thermostat of all things. Pulled it out of the truck and put it and another new thermo in a pot of water. (Both are 180's). The new one opened at 180+/-, the other from the truck didn't until the water began to boil heavily.

That's makes 4 brand new thermostats I went though this week until I got one that worked.

kwmech 11-12-2022 07:35 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
What year is this and do you have a serpentine belt system or V belt. I'm thinking wrong water pump

5Tractorguy 11-12-2022 10:12 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwmech (Post 9143739)
What year is this and do you have a serpentine belt system or V belt. I'm thinking wrong water pump

It's an '88, still the square body style. Has a serpentine belt but not the setup like the GMT400's. Still turns in the same clockwise direction as the V-belt setups.

Axle 11-13-2022 11:01 AM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
I'd be very suspect of the water pump having the wrong impeller in it. Even with the wrong impeller it'll still look like its moving coolant, its just not able to move enough volume.

Getter-Done 11-13-2022 11:05 AM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 5Tractorguy (Post 9143720)


So, I seemed to have licked it. Was a bad (brand new) thermostat of all things. Pulled it out of the truck and put it and another new thermo in a pot of water. (Both are 180's). The new one opened at 180+/-, the other from the truck didn't until the water began to boil heavily.

That's makes 4 brand new thermostats I went though this week until I got one that worked.

Glad you finally got a good (New) part.

Stuff like that just adds to the issue.:uhmk::sumo::chevy:

5Tractorguy 11-14-2022 04:45 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Axle (Post 9143955)
I'd be very suspect of the water pump having the wrong impeller in it. Even with the wrong impeller it'll still look like its moving coolant, its just not able to move enough volume.

Same thought crossed my mind too... I originally put a new high volume pump on figuring it would only help. Ended up ordering a stock volume pump and changing it out thinking the high volume was too much or wrong impeller.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Getter-Done (Post 9143957)
Glad you finally got a good (New) part.

Stuff like that just adds to the issue.:uhmk::sumo::chevy:

Thanks, me too!


One last thing... anyone have recommendations for a rebuilt engine break-in procedure? I went for a short 3 mile drive today. Planning on changing the oil before I go on a longer drive tomorrow afternoon.

General consensus online seems to be don't do anything but regular driving, no hauling for the first 500 miles. Maybe 1-2 more oil changes before then.

What do you guys think?

Getter-Done 11-14-2022 11:25 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
After you (Think) the Cam is broke in :lol:

You can Drive it like you stole It.:metal:

Just vary RPM a whole lot.
Don't hold it at at certain RPM.

I would keep RPM's under 4 grand for a while:ito:

That's if you can keep your foot out of it.:chevy:

Axle 11-19-2022 02:18 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
2nd driving it like you stole it. Did that with my now spare motor (150k plus since the rebuild) (spare motor because truck it was in rusted beyond reasonable repair). Had the heads off around 100k due to popping a head gasket and the cylinders still looked good with visible cross hatching. I did not baby that engine at all, still ran great when the truck it was in got retired and will end up in my GMC when its engine is too tired.

5Tractorguy 11-22-2022 01:36 PM

Re: 350 Won't Stop Overheating
 
Thanks for the reply guys... keep forgetting to check back here.

Been driving around for a week now, have to advance the timing a bit more. Seems to be lacking some top end umph on the highway at 2800-3K.

Hauled a Ford 8N carcass home in the bed last week, been driving around with it since (too heavy to unload with my small Kubota, have to disassemble). Truck doesn't seems to notice an extra 1K sitting in the back. So far so good!


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