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enaberif 03-09-2015 06:59 PM

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Sounds like you could be boiling out the fuel from the carb. Do you have a heat isolater pad between your intake and the carb? They are usually about 1/4" thick to help with this.

Oregoon 03-09-2015 07:04 PM

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This thread rules! Keep up the good work, man!

Brent7654 03-09-2015 07:07 PM

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If your floats are adjusted properly you should have a slight little bit of gas spill out when you pull the plug. (On level ground)

Brent7654 03-09-2015 07:13 PM

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Is your choke staying closed?

Gregski 03-09-2015 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by enaberif (Post 7082976)
Sounds like you could be boiling out the fuel from the carb. Do you have a heat isolater pad between your intake and the carb? They are usually about 1/4" thick to help with this.

Good point, we're running this split down the middle Holley approved spacer gasket, it is as you describe a 1/4" thick.

Gregski 03-09-2015 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by enaberif (Post 7082720)
Don't do roll pan. Get a nice sport chrome bumper will look so much better.

Sorry The Greg respects chrome for it's durability but don't like it, too much bling, now black chrome ... pronounced "EXPENSIVE" and that I can dance to!

enaberif 03-09-2015 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7083051)
Good point, we're running this split down the middle Holley approved spacer gasket, it is as you describe a 1/4" thick.

I am pretty sure you've discussed your carb/intake setup but could you refresh my memory of why you are using that spacer? Are you using a spreadbore intake?

Gregski 03-09-2015 08:15 PM

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Fuel Problem - Idea

On February 9th I installed that inline fuel filter right in front of the carb and we all saw that the rubber hose 90* elbow was getting a bit squished, I am wondering if that has something to do with it, I am considering reversing this "upgrade" ie deleting the glass inline fuel filter in front of the carb, especially since I installed a plastic one now before the fuel pump

so going from this back to this... (it's just a thought, since I don't recall a problem back then)

Gregski 03-09-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by enaberif (Post 7083075)
I am pretty sure you've discussed your carb/intake setup but could you refresh my memory of why you are using that spacer? Are you using a spreadbore intake?

Dope, I meant to say square bore, looks like I found a pic of the spacer / gasket on it as well

enaberif 03-09-2015 09:13 PM

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Yeah you have the spacer so I'd definitely be looking towards fuel delivery next.

rusty76 03-10-2015 05:55 PM

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Take the filter out and try it out. Can't hurt. But if you have fuel in float bowls and in the filter and doesn't start there must be something to it. If you are having to hold your foot to the floor to start it then is it flooding out? Do you smell gas when you try to start it? I have no idea really but if we have fuel, air and spark then it should run right? But here again I guarantee it will be something simple. Let's get this problem solved fellas.

y5mgisi 03-10-2015 07:57 PM

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Foot to the floor start is typically a sign of flooding. I think you are on track tho to try running without the filter for a day and see if that resolves the issue

Chaplain 03-10-2015 10:49 PM

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Hmm...the filter theory is very interesting.

Chaplain 03-11-2015 11:01 AM

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Where is The Greg?

Gregski 03-11-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaplain (Post 7085464)
Where is The Greg?

The Greg is suffering from a bad case of Hang-Over-Fenderitus (i.e. back strain) so he is trying really hard to stay away from Rusty for a day or two.

Chaplain 03-11-2015 11:49 AM

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I get it. I mean I got it back in January when I had a fight with a frame and a pair of leaf springs.

Gregski 03-11-2015 08:03 PM

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This is a live update from the field... here is our field correspondent The Greg

Thank you Ron... yes here I am with Rusty at the scene of the crime. We have replaced the glass inline fuel filter right in front of the carb and made it here without the truck wanting to stall at the stop signs or quit running while parked

we've been idling here as I type this for about 5 minutes (yes I am a slow one finger Blackberrian, non of that dual teenage thumb action for me)

I am being told we are about to shut her off... Him I'm sorry... apparently Rusty is a he

more as the news develops

now back to you in the studios

Gregski 03-11-2015 08:10 PM

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I am being told we have a visual of that replacement fuel line...

Gregski 03-11-2015 08:44 PM

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FUEL PROBLEM - GOOD NEWS!

It appears as though eliminating the glass fuel filter has fixed the problem, but it still may be too early to call it a permanent fix.

The truck started, on the second try but it started.

Drove it around some more and shut it off, waited about 10 minutes and it also started, again on the second try.

The plan is to drive it in to work tomorrow (10 miles), shut it off wait 10 minutes and see if it will start.

Maybe test it at lunch time, and then again when I come home from work.

If we really want to be geeky we can put the old line with the inline fuel filter back on and in theory the problem should come back, don't know if it's worth the tax payers money, hee hee to do so, but we may do it for science.

If this works, then I am guessing a clogged / dirty inline fuel filter? Maybe the particles are so small the filter does not have to look like the bottom of my aquarium back in college to be considered dirty, who knows!?


Gregski 03-11-2015 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaplain (Post 7085511)
I get it. I mean I got it back in January when I had a fight with a frame and a pair of leaf springs.

I get the vibe that you may be a bit too short in the tooth for such automotive injuries? JK

rich weyand 03-11-2015 09:23 PM

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Some of those fuel filters have a one-way check valve. Now, I am not saying you put it on backwards, but, um, did you put it on backwards?

77K10Silverado 03-11-2015 10:13 PM

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Wouldn't that keep it from starting the first time? Not real sure how those work though..

Titomars 03-11-2015 11:57 PM

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Wouldn't that keep it from starting the first time? Not real sure how those work though..

I would think so myself, but since I have never seen one with a check valve in it. I am not sure how they work. I do know those little see through filters are nothing but trouble. I have seen many issues around them over the years.
Best fuel filter I have seen is a K&N fuel filter. Aluminum housing that the housing unscrews to access a cleanable stainless steel screen.

Gregski 03-12-2015 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rich weyand (Post 7086292)
Some of those fuel filters have a one-way check valve. Now, I am not saying you put it on backwards, but, um, did you put it on backwards?

This one does not have such a check valve it is just a fine screen inside a glass tube. Also it says IN on one end and OUT on the other so I am 107% sure I installed it the correct way.

Now that I look at it while it is empty there is a bit of residue on the glass looks like someone sprinkled some pepper in there, maybe it just did it's job and cleaned fuel for as long as it could.

rich weyand 03-12-2015 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7086672)
This one does not have such a check valve it is just a fine screen inside a glass tube. Also it says IN on one end and OUT on the other so I am 107% sure I installed it the correct way.

Now that I look at it while it is empty there is a bit of residue on the glass looks like someone sprinkled some pepper in there, maybe it just did it's job and cleaned fuel for as long as it could.

In which case you may have another problem. Have you changed out all the soft rubber fuel lines yet?

Chaplain 03-12-2015 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7086233)
I get the vibe that you may be a bit too short in the tooth for such automotive injuries? JK

I'm finding that I don't bounce back like I used to.

Titomars 03-12-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaplain (Post 7086728)
I'm finding that I don't bounce back like I used to.

Boy, Do I know that song! ;)

Gregski 03-12-2015 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rich weyand (Post 7086716)
In which case you may have another problem. Have you changed out all the soft rubber fuel lines yet?

yes sir, did that when I dropped the tank a few weeks ago

Gregski 03-12-2015 01:08 PM

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Fuel Problem Update - Looking Good

Made it to work ok, truck ran great, drove in the 10 miles and shut it off, about 30 minutes later he fired right up on the first try.

At lunch time we will make a few test runs and test starts to confirm, but so far Looking Good!

as always a huge thanks to all of those who contributed your input and ideas, very much appreciate it

77K10Silverado 03-12-2015 02:11 PM

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Good deal!.

rusty76 03-12-2015 05:21 PM

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Cool.

Gregski 03-12-2015 05:54 PM

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Perhaps a final Fuel Problem update before we put this issue to bed and move on to something else, leaking, squeaking, or ticking...

At lunch time the truck started fine on a second try (perhaps since I did not crank it long enuff on the first try) but it fired, ran, and I drove it a bit, all went well

so that's that, about to head home soon

OldBlue4Life 03-12-2015 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7086220)
If this works, then I am guessing a clogged / dirty inline fuel filter? Maybe the particles are so small the filter does not have to look like the bottom of my aquarium back in college to be considered dirty, who knows!?

I'm no fuel filter expert by any means, but when I slapped one of these exact same "sick looking" glass filters on my truck and one on my car, I thought I was the man...until my uncle, his buddies, some auto techs at work, and a few other people more old car savvy than myself told me they were a horrible choice and I should replace ASAP. It's been a while, so I can't remember exactly their reasons, but nonetheless, I think they're bad news. When no one mentioned this to you, I figured I had just been misinformed and they were fine to use, until you encountered your problems...
But I'm glad to hear Rusty's doing better now.:metal:

rgunlock 03-12-2015 08:41 PM

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I've seen a number of threads on this site about folks that had bad engine fires that were blamed on glass fuel filters cracking or breaking. No personal experience with them, but for my build I'm sticking to the metal canister type inline fuel filters just on principal. I'm betting the problem was the kink in the rubber line on yours - glad to hear its behaving now!

motornut 03-13-2015 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rich weyand (Post 7086292)
Some of those fuel filters have a one-way check valve. Now, I am not saying you put it on backwards, but, um, did you put it on backwards?

Glad it's fixed.
Speaking of valves ...
If it was for a Quadrajet, I'd check this valve can go sideways and block the gas flow.
I removed mine

Gregski 03-13-2015 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by motornut (Post 7088332)
Glad it's fixed.
Speaking of valves ...
If it was for a Quadrajet, I'd check this valve can go sideways and block the gas flow.
I removed mine

Dang I didn't even know there was a valve for the Q-Jet carbs and I even replaced my fuel filter in it. I bet some guys are lucky if theirs has the spring, mine didn't and and leaked pretty bad till I put one in, but again didn't know there was a valve to go with it.

Gregski 03-13-2015 07:20 PM

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let me catch you up on what me and Rusty have been up to the last couple days...

I've been dealing with Tires Squel When I Brake - Why? issue that I brought up in a different thread.

What I thought was tire noise coming from the front brakes when I braked, was actually coming from the rear on the passenger side.

So I bought two new Wheel Cylinders (and learned they are not called brake cylinders, go figure) $9 bucks each, and spent one evening replacing them, here are some pics

Gregski 03-13-2015 07:24 PM

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I was able to replace both slave WHEEL cylinders without tearing apart the entire brake bracketry springatalogy ecosystem, not my style as I like to do things right and take it all apart and clean it, but I just wanted to stop traumatizing pedestrians at crosswalks if you know what I mean

replacing the bad cylinder (both technically) stopped the truck from squeelin like a pig when I brake now as well as both of them now have a matching 5/16ths Zirk bleed nipples instead of one being 3/8ths (which bugged The Greg)

Gregski 03-13-2015 07:29 PM

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tonight, it's Friday night and it's time to tie up some loose ends, when we yanked the transmission we ordered a new boot / gator for the shifter, as well as new pedal pads when we pulled the clutch and brake pedal twins

so here is a looksie at the replacements, complements of LMC Truck

Gregski 03-13-2015 07:30 PM

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slipping on the new shifter gator was easy

second pic - old and new boots, (the old one is on the left, I love telling you guys the obvious)


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