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rusty76 03-27-2016 11:09 AM

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Is that a clutch less fan? I changed the water pump out on mine a few years back�� And had no problems.

Gregski 03-27-2016 11:11 AM

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Good morning and Happy Easter everybody (who won't be offended by that these days, the rest of you don't read that, ha ha)

So as I sit here on a Sunday morning enjoying my Kona Hawaiian coffee I figure I would do some Spark Plug Wire Math - SPWM.

Last night I took off all my existing current stock AutoZone Duralast (I think) plug wires and laid them out on my workbench. Then I sorted them by length and measured each one, here are the results.

3 @ 22"
only 1 @ 26"
3 @ 32"
only 1 @ 40"

I entertained both routes: under the headers as well as simply over them the traditional way, and you may have guessed it by now, the wires I need the most of are the 26" and the 40" LOL

but here is a Fun Fact for you all - if we assume the standard 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order with #1 on the dizzy pointing at the #1 cylinder, there are two, and exactly two problem wire runs, #2 and #3 are opposite on the dizzy to their respected cylinder head, those be the ones requiring the longest run, if we are to run them neatly around the backside of the dizzy, using the 40" wire(s) if we only had two of them, ha ha, The Greg may pick up another identical wire set, nothing like buying 16 wires to get 8 good ones out of them, or The Greg could put his Bib Boy Pants (BBPs) on and make his own darn wires.

heres a really cool simple wire run diagram, I like how they run the #2 and #3 wires through and across the dizzy instead of around it, now why didn't I think of that?



rustyescott 03-27-2016 12:01 PM

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google madsen hei dist cap

rustyescott 03-27-2016 12:04 PM

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crossfire dist cap

Gregski 03-27-2016 12:29 PM

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If you have a set of factory Vortec wire retainers, by all means use them. I have used them many times with headers, they are great. All it takes is some minor clearancing of the header flange where the looms bolt to the head.

Thanks Jake, motivated by your comments, I fandangled with the passenger side (the easier side in my case) using the stock Vortec head retainers and clips, and though I used them in an unconventional way by attaching them using the valve cover bolts, this might could work, after I get the proper wire lengths sorted out, also being a perfectionist I may trim off that piece of each bracket with the hole punch hole in it, not sure what that was for anyways, probably will find out as soon as I cut them off, lol

now gentlemen, please don't t think I am obsessing over this, though it may seem that way, all The Greg is trying to do is put off the cleaning of the engine bay, ha ha

Gregski 03-27-2016 12:39 PM

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well my mission should I choose to accept it


... honey can I borrow your toothbrush

Gregski 03-27-2016 12:51 PM

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gentlemen last question I swear before I go transferring all that dirt and grime off the frame and on to my pretty self, ha ha

can I / should I drill some 3/8ths or bit bigger holes in the lowest part of the lip on this cross member both front and back to properly drain out all the oil, coolant, and gosh knows what else that loves to accumulate there, or will that cause any structural harm?

enaberif 03-27-2016 02:00 PM

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drill away you will be fine.

Gregski 03-27-2016 02:18 PM

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so got the Passenger lower motor mount off, took a bit of doing first to excavate the nuts of these bolts to get our 9/16th socket on them, second to get under there to hold the bolt head and prevent it from spinnin'

Gregski 03-27-2016 02:20 PM

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and the anatomy of a dirty Passenger side upper and lower motor mount, both top and bottom sides

rusty76 03-27-2016 04:27 PM

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Your crossmember looks ten times cleaner than mine. Lol

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:05 PM

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Your crossmember looks ten times cleaner than mine. Lol

bro, I know what you mean, I've been cleaning it a little at a time for almost 2 years, lol

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:10 PM

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well guys and gals, The Greg wants to get that motor in this truck as soon as he can, that's why he is pushing so hard

under the premise of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, I decided to cover as much of the engine bay and cab as possible with some thin (pronounced easy to work with) 2 mil plastic, to keep the crud that the wire wheel was going to spit out from sticking to my [ahem] patina, lol

hey, when I pull this plastic off you won't be able to see through it, I guarantee it

decided to dull up the sharp hinges to keep my own eyes in their sockets and keep the plastic from tearing

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:12 PM

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no hon, I have NOT seen your old comfy black gym shorts, what would I be doing with your black shorts... where did you say you left them... in the garage?

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:20 PM

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alright, let's start a wheelin'

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:22 PM

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drill away you will be fine.

and we have drainage, Git 'er done!

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:24 PM

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maneuvering around the proportioning valve and the brake lines is proving to be a chore even with them unbolted from the frame, will have to come up with some sort of solution quick

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:27 PM

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cleaned the passenger side motor mounts - noticed there is a slight difference between the passenger side and the driver side, the passenger side has the nut welded to the mount, the driver side does not

one clean set of mounts and one still dirty

did they paint with that black tar back in those days, I swear that stuff was allover these babies - and it's a dirt magnet!

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:30 PM

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got the first motor mount in the paint booth for a coat of primer, I know it's silly not to paint them both at the same time, but I just had to break the monotony of wire brushing gunk off of things, I'm sure you'll understand

Gregski 03-27-2016 07:34 PM

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and I went back to wire wheelin', I just had to clean the motor mount bolts as they were so grimmy you could barely get a wrench on them, not ACCEPTABLE

once cleaned, I shot some clear on them to prevent them from rusting (hopefully that will work)

needless to say I care more about the engine bay than the cab, hee hee

Fun Level: 2.6

flashed 03-27-2016 08:34 PM

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Dang dude ,you work fast .

Crcrft78 03-27-2016 09:18 PM

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LOL I love your backyard paint booth C-clamp parts holder.

Gregski 03-27-2016 09:46 PM

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LOL I love your backyard paint booth C-clamp parts holder.

keen eye my friend, custom fully adjustable mind you! and you have no idea how many times I spent an hour looking for that stupid C clamp in the garage, lol

Gregski 03-28-2016 12:57 AM

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so I decided to remove the engine cross member support brackets (not sure what they are officially called) after all, and I'm glad I did as there was a ton of stuff to clean up back there

just making a note that the thick washers go on top of the bolt

Gregski 03-28-2016 12:59 AM

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not sure you picked up on this detail from my support bracket anatomy schematic, but one of the bolts had the washer on the bottom and not on top like the other three

see the bolt in the bottom right hand corner

maybe this is important, or maybe Sally the GM assembler was having a bad day, ha ha

Gregski 03-28-2016 03:38 PM

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Note To Self: Don't use your leg as a vise when wire wheelin'!

Second Note To Self: Please reset Beers without Injury counter to Zero!


Gregski 03-28-2016 03:41 PM

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set up the Summer paint booth configuration and made some hangers out of the wives coat hangers (remember the metal ones?)

seems like I am making more of these every couple months, I wonder where they are all ending up?

Gregski 03-28-2016 03:43 PM

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it was FREEZING when Polar Bear Garage opened today - ha ha

Gregski 03-28-2016 03:47 PM

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got the driver side engine "bracket" (that's what LMC Truck calls em) cleaned up and primered, so the part that bolts up to the engine block is a bracket and the bottom piece that bolts up to the frame is actually the engine mount or motor mount as I prefer to call it ~ there learned something

borrowed that white barrel from Walter White, seemed like a very nice fellow

Gregski 03-28-2016 03:55 PM

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and then it was back to the grind, wire wheel a little, vacuum a little, aka rinse, lather, repeat

Gregski 03-28-2016 04:00 PM

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but three hours later the passenger side was done

now I will probably go back and clean up that brake and fuel line, but the frame is as good as it's going to get, remember all you have to do is knock off the loose rust for POR15 you don't have to take it down to bare metal, so I think we've reached that goal

daddyjeep 03-28-2016 04:22 PM

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Don't forget the POR15 metal prep since you went to bare metal.

rgunlock 03-28-2016 04:32 PM

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Looking great, but what happened to all that carefully laid out plastic to protect your patina? Get in the way too much?

enaberif 03-28-2016 06:51 PM

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Don't forget the POR15 metal prep since you went to bare metal.

NO! This is a horrid misconception. POR15 should be applied to crusty surfaces not bare metal.

daddyjeep 03-28-2016 06:55 PM

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NO! This is a horrid misconception. POR15 should be applied to crusty surfaces not bare metal.

That is correct...exactly why I recommend using the metal prep. The POR15 doesn't adhere well to clean metal without it.

y5mgisi 03-28-2016 08:17 PM

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Gregski, when you adjusted the valves, you rotated the motor and adjusted them all individually when each cylinder was off of its respective cam lobes right? In other words, you didn't just adjust all of them without rotating the crank around right?

Gregski 03-28-2016 09:22 PM

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Gregski, when you adjusted the valves, you rotated the motor and adjusted them all individually when each cylinder was off of its respective cam lobes right? In other words, you didn't just adjust all of them without rotating the crank around right?

Get #1 to Top Dead Center

Exh. 1 - 3 – 4 -8​
Int. 1 - 2 - 5 - 7 ​

Get #6 to Top Dead Center

Exh. 2 - 5 – 6 – 7​
Int. 3 – 4 - 6 - 8​

Adjust until pushrod will not wiggle using your fingers and then add ¼ turn. Adjusting until push rod won't spin may give incorrect setting.

Only turn the engine 2 times. once for TDC #1 and again for TDC #6

Gregski 03-28-2016 09:24 PM

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Don't forget the POR15 metal prep since you went to bare metal.

Yes sir, done! I used my own coctail 1 part Phosphoric acid to 3 parts H20, works the same as their million dollar product.

Jake Wade 03-28-2016 09:37 PM

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Adjust until pushrod will not spin between fingers and then add ¼ turn and tighten nut.[/QUOTE]

This last part is kinda confusing, unless you have poly locks, your sentence should end with "then add 1/4 turn"

I don't get the "and tighten nut" nothing else needs to be done after "add 1/4 turn"....unless you have poly locks.

Not trying to give you a hard time, I just want to make sure the Gregski has a successful start up!

Gregski 03-28-2016 09:41 PM

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the wind died down so I decided to paint the motor mounts and [ahem] engine brackets

I had some Cast Iron paint left over from the Paint Shootout that I did to pick the right hue for the engine, and this was the runner up - by Dupli-Color, practically looks identical


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