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Gregski 03-07-2016 01:44 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
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Originally Posted by Brent7654 (Post 7511241)
Haven't kept up with the forum in a while but junk the stock cam for a slightly More modern version.
What's your plan for the motor?
If you stay flat tappet, on a budget go with a summit tight lobe seperation cam, they are the older but more modern than your stock cam.
JMO,
Brent

I know this thread is huge but in post # 2743 I list the 350 HO Engine Specifications (19210007) I plan to follow

Gregski 03-07-2016 01:44 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
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Originally Posted by Chaplain (Post 7512109)
Family first

true

Gregski 03-07-2016 01:54 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
I know doing a job like this is a massive undertaking so today since I couldn't work on the truck I made a list of most of the things need doing, before I even start the re assembly process, I share this with you for two reasons, 1. to acknowledge just how much stuff goes into this type of job, and 2. to keep me honest and ensure I get it done

0. make this list
1. clean engine block
2. clean new used vortec cylinder heads (pics coming soon)
3. clean new used vortec intake manifold (pics coming soon)
4. clean K member
5. clean new used radiator support
6. clean motor mounts
7. clean water pump pulley
8. clean crank pulley
9. clean harmonic ballancer
10. clean new used vortec valve covers (pics coming soon)
11. clean timing cover
12. clean oil pan (again)
13. clean new used trans cover (pics coming soon)
14. clean new used trans cross member (pics coming soon)
15. clean new used overdrive transmission (pics coming soon)
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16. paint engine block
17. paint new used cylinder heads
18. paint timing cover
19. paint new mid mount alternator bracket (pics coming soon)
20. paint water pump pulley
21. paint crank pulley
22. paint fan
23. paint harmonic ballancer
24. paint motor mounts
25. paint K member
26. paint new used trans cross member
27. paint new used trans cover
28. paint new used radiator support
29. paint lower grille panel
30. paint chrome trim on grille black


man I wish this forum had strike through text so that as I complete these tasks I could cross them out, know what I mean

Gregski 03-07-2016 02:59 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Budget Top End Build
 
MY BUDGET TOP END UPGRADE COST
---This Page Will Be Updated Over Time---



____________PART________________PART #___________MAKE_______________________COMMENT __________________PRICE

Vortec Cylinder Heads - - - - - - - - - - - - 12558062 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - Used from 99 Suburban - - - - - - - - - - $88

Vortec Dual Plane Intake Manifold * - - - - 12366573 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - Used eBay - - - - - - - - - - - $127 => $167 with shipping

Center Bolt Valve Covers ** - - - - - - - - 12355350 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - Used from 99 Suburban - - - - - - - - - - $21

Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft - - - - - - 24502476 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - New JEGS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $109

24 Hydraulic Lifters (8 extra) - - - - - - - - 5232720 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - NOS eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $95

20 Pushrods (4 extra) - - - - - - - - - - - - 14095256 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - NOS eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $147

Crankshaft Gear - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10128346 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $31

Camshaft Gear - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 340235 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $46

Timing Chain - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 14087014 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $44

Timing Cover Gasket- - - - - - - - - - - - - 10108435 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $3

Valve Seals - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10212810 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - - - eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $13

Valve Cover Gaskets - - - - - - - - - - - - 10046089 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - - - eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $26

Head Gaskets - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10105117 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - - - JEGS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $38

Intake Manifold Gaskets - - - - - - - - - - - 1255 - - - - - - - - - - - - Fel-Pro - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JEGS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $23

Water Pump Gaskets - - - -- - - - - - - - - - 5152 - - - - - - - - - - - - Fel-Pro - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AutoZone- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $3

Thermostat Gasket - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - 35062 - - - - - - - - - - - Fel-Pro - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AutoZone- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $2

========================================================================= TOTAL $857



* new Intake Manifold is required because the Vortec cylinder heads have a different valley angle

** new Valve Covers are required because the Vortec cylinder heads use center mounted valve covers

in some instances Extra parts were bought because that's how the lots came from eBay, so I was forced to overbuy

NOS stands for New Old Stock

Timing Set had to be purchased as individual components since a kit did not exist





deejaaa1 03-07-2016 03:41 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7505930)
.....I'm thinking of painting it green, the color of the car instead of black, what do you all think?

sorry, i'm ol' (51 yo)school. keep it black.

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7507556)
I was hoping to put in 2 hours tonight, but ended up putting in 4, so needless to say it was soon Beer:30

~ that's all for today folks

finally, a real beer! none of that 'lite' stuff for me.
now i see why you called it "rusty".
cool build and i like your humor. it goes a LONG way now a days.

Titomars 03-07-2016 04:34 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Budget Top End Build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7512726)
MY BUDGET TOP END UPGRADE COST
---This Page Will Be Updated Over Time---



____________PART________________PART #___________MAKE_______________________COMMENT __________________PRICE

Vortec Cylinder Heads - - - - - - - - - - - - 12558062 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - Used from 99 Suburban - - - - - - - - - - $88

Vortec Dual Plane Intake Manifold * - - - - 12366573 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - Used eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $127

Center Bolt Valve Covers ** - - - - - - - - 12355350 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - Used from 99 Suburban - - - - - - - - - - $21

Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft - - - - - - 24502476 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - New JEGS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $109

24 Hydraulic Lifters (8 extra) - - - - - - - - 5232720 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - NOS eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $95

20 Pushrods (4 extra) - - - - - - - - - - - - 14095256 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - - NOS eBay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $147

Crankshaft Gear - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 10128346 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $31

Camshaft Gear - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 340235 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $46

Timing Chain - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 14087014 - - - - - - Chevrolet Performance - - - - - - - - - - GM Parts Direct - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $44

========================================================================= TOTAL $708



* new Intake Manifold is required because the Vortec cylinder heads have a different valley angle

** new Valve Covers are required because the Vortec cylinder heads use center mounted valve covers

in some instances Extra parts were bought because that's how the lots came from eBay, so I was forced to overbuy

NOS stands for New Old Stock

Timing Set had to be purchased as individual components since a kit did not exist





Hah!!
Just one of my heads cost 2 times what your entire list totals.
If I posted my shopping list it would probably scare you. :lol:

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:52 AM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Budget Top End Build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titomars (Post 7512758)
Hah!!
Just one of my heads cost 2 times what your entire list totals.
If I posted my shopping list it would probably scare you. :lol:

but don't you got one of them BBC, Big Beautiful Chevrolet? lol

68post 03-07-2016 01:43 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Greg , the engine looks to be fairly dirty inside , not sure it could just have 35 thou - unless it only had 3 oil changes. May want to replace crank seals too and are you going to replace the oil pump ? They're cheap ! (with all that oil - you'd think they wouldn't wear - huh .. ?)

Gregski 03-07-2016 01:52 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 68post (Post 7513132)
Greg , the engine looks to be fairly dirty inside , not sure it could just have 35 thou - unless it only had 3 oil changes. May want to replace crank seals too and are you going to replace the oil pump ? They're cheap ! (with all that oil - you'd think they wouldn't wear - huh .. ?)

Hi Tim

The oil pump and pickup screen is brand new, I replaced it a few months ago when I did the rear main seal and the oil pan gasket.

Gregski 03-07-2016 02:40 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Cheat Sheet
 
Man I can't find squat on my own thread, lol time to create a Cheat Sheet

THREAD - TASK

16 - Carb Rebuild

334 - Intake Manifold

1110 - Tailgate

1190 - Hood

1447 - Power Steering

1561 - Radio

1745 - Gauge Cluster

1871 - Bed


68post 03-07-2016 04:14 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7513140)
Hi Tim

The oil pump and pickup screen is brand new, I replaced it a few months ago when I did the rear main seal and the oil pan gasket.

That's swell !! Your engine loves you :lol:

Titomars 03-07-2016 08:32 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Budget Top End Build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7512926)
but don't you got one of them BBC, Big Beautiful Chevrolet? lol

yup, a huge heavy gas guzzling 454.................. and loving every second I drive it. ;)

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:03 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Engine Stroll
 
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we finally got a break in the weather and the sun came out, so I decided to take the engine for a walk

I don't get how in our fourth year of a drought here in Norther California it has been raining and I mean poring for the last seven days, (things that make you go hmmmm)

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:07 PM

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doctor, the patient is prepped and ready for surgery

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:09 PM

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then it was time to [ahem] MAKE THIS ENGINE GREAT AGAIN !!!

enaberif 03-07-2016 10:25 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Do yourself a favor and do NOT break that lower dipstick tube and do not misplace it lol. Be lucky you still have it.

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:26 PM

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somehow I am always happier behind a wheel, even if it is a 4 inch on an angle grinder, ha ha

I don't know about you, but I can find plenty of things to cut my hands on under the hood, so I decided the engine block wasn't gonna be one of them

time to smooth out that casting crust

Valarius_Starchaser 03-07-2016 10:40 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
I would replace those steel cast plugs with some brass ones while you are at it its cheap and should never leak if installed correctly that's not a fun job with the engine in the truck/car

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:47 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Valarius_Starchaser (Post 7513852)
I would replace those steel cast plugs with some brass ones while you are at it its cheap and should never leak if installed correctly that's not a fun job with the engine in the truck/car

dang it you are right about that, I already replaced two of them with the engine in the truck, luckily they were not the ones hiding behind the motor mounts, but I wasn't smart enuff to go brass, I got the cheap shinny ones from China that the AutoZoner handed to me, lol

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:49 PM

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the sharp edges around the oil filter housing got some angle grinder love too, there much better

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:51 PM

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and on to the other side

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:54 PM

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first we knock off the ugly

Gregski 03-07-2016 10:58 PM

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and by zi Pompa de Gasolina

Gregski 03-07-2016 11:00 PM

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and second side done

labor = about 1 hour per side

y5mgisi 03-07-2016 11:10 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Always wanted to do the type of smoothing you are doing!

Jeramy 03-07-2016 11:19 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
something i plan to do when i start assembling mine...unless i forget

Gregski 03-08-2016 08:57 PM

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had to go into town fer supplies, yup this is how the magic happens

Gregski 03-08-2016 08:58 PM

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it was a nice day so I decided to have a little pool party and all the dirty bits were invited

Gregski 03-08-2016 09:04 PM

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word quickly got out and friends invited their friends, dirty little rascals

Gregski 03-08-2016 09:08 PM

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and a few more

the harmonic balancer was a dirt magnet for sure, I'm surprised it stayed balanced with that 9 pounds of dirt stuck to it

Gregski 03-08-2016 09:10 PM

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while those bits were soaking I got started on the engine

got the front side cleaned

enaberif 03-08-2016 09:13 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Check your harmonic balancer for cracks in the rubber as it may need replacing and now is a perfect time to invest in that.

Oh and your missing the lower bolt on the right side of the block at the front to secure the fuel push rod. This area WILL seep and leak oil if you do not put the bolt back in.

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:01 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by enaberif (Post 7515031)
Check your harmonic balancer for cracks in the rubber as it may need replacing and now is a perfect time to invest in that.

Oh and your missing the lower bolt on the right side of the block at the front to secure the fuel push rod. This area WILL seep and leak oil if you do not put the bolt back in.

thanks I will and up until recently I didn't even realize there was rubber in the balancer

the bolt was removed during disassembly in order to slide that rod out allowing the cam to be removed

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:36 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
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Every time I try to get out - they pull me back in!

as I was spinning the engine block on that engine stand, I realized that it was sliding out of the rotating thingmajig, so I decided to use a C clamp from time to time to pull it back in, you know to prevent getting dead

so if you gots a similar stand, be careful you hear, engine blocks are expensive!

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:40 PM

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time to do the passenger side set of cylinder banks 2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate?

I covered the other end with a rag, and kept the cylinders slightly pointed down, so when I shot brake cleaner in there to rinse them out, the debris would flow down hill and out the cylinder, seemed to work

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:44 PM

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then it was on to the other side 1-3-5-7

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:47 PM

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then we cleaned the back side (closest to the firewall), man how many sides does this thing have? lol

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:48 PM

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yo Jimmy can we get a birds eye view of this beauty?

Gregski 03-08-2016 10:53 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty - Cleaning the Short Block
 
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how about some glamour shots

not bad if I do say so myself for a Pollack n a grinder

lkfldredneck 03-08-2016 10:54 PM

Re: Restoring Rusty
 
Wow awesome work Greg! Block is looking mint.

Actually makes me appreciate the hot tank and wash box we had for the blocks and various parts haha only now id have to do it your way since we sold them


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