Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks Mike... Hopefully my transmission parts will get here before the weekend and I can get it finished. After that I will work with you on the on getting the Transmission to Transfer case adapter cut down... Will it take long to machine it down after I get it to you?

Have a good evening.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Won't take long at all. Maybe a 30 minutes?

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Hey Mark ...Just got thru 3 1/2 pages of your adventure, how to make (remake) a junk yard truck into a show piece. anybody would be proud to own. Wow That's going to be a super nice truck.....Oklahoma Crude to Oklahoma Gold.. Ed.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks NotSolo... It has turned into a much bigger project than I thought... Hopefully I can get most of the mechanical stuff done in the next few weeks and then start on the body...

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Just found this thread. You sure are taking the bull by the horns and getting this done fast and top notch! I wish i was this far with my K20!

One question, I noticed you replaced the front discs but are still using a behind the hub setup. Did you look at the more modern style of mounting on the wheel studs? I think I've seen those but don't the pros cons, or what is available yet. I am still researching all that.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks.. It was started out to be a long term project, that I let get away from me a little. After I finish up with he Drivetrain and Chassis things will slow down.. :-)

I did not look at a more modern style on the front rotors/hubs. I didn't even think about it... Let me know if you find something better than what I have...

Have a good day

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Today was a long day… Went early this morning to pick up some parts that MCBassin machined for me… Once Again Thinks Mike… Left there and headed to the shop. First task was to install new tail shaft in the 4L60e.

First step is to remove the bell housing. The bolts are a T50-Plus.. If you ever need to remove these bolts do not use a regular T50… you will see why a little later.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070876.jpg
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The bolts are installed with thread lock from the factory. Applying heat helps to break the bolts loose. Just put a little heat on the bolt. Don’t overdo it.. You can also put it on the outside of the case where the bolts attach.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070877.jpg

Working by yourself requires some riggin…
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070879.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070880.jpg

Bellhousing is off..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070881.jpg

Now you can see what happens when you try and use a T50 in place of a T50-Plus. I had to drill the head off of the bolt.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070882.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070883.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070884.jpg

Remove the pan and filter.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070886.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070888.jpg

Remove the TCC solenoid. You have to remove this solenoid to get to the TCC solenoid.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070889.jpg
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070891.jpg
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070893.jpg

Pull the front pump.. this can be done many different ways.. I usually use a couple pairs of vice grips on the outer part of the front pump.. just pull up and work the vise groups back and forth.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070895.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070896.jpg

This oil ring needs to be removed before pulling the pump.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070928.jpg


Next remove the band and then grip the input shaft and lift the entire assembly up and out of the case.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070897.jpg

Remove the rest until you get down to the snap ring.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070898.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070899.jpg

Snap ring removed.. this is the one everyone talks about.. it is not that easy to get out, unless you have had some practices

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070900.jpg

The shaft could be removed at this point from the rear … however I went ahead and pulled it all out to look at the clutches and other parts..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070901.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070902.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070903.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070904.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070905.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070906.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070907.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070909.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070912.jpg

Shaft is out.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070908.jpg

Old vs new.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070910.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070911.jpg
New shaft ready to go in…

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070913.jpg
Back together we go…

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070914.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070915.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070916.jpg

It is important to use lent free rags and also remember to use white lithium grease to help hold the thrust washer and bearings.

Time for the snap ring.. the shaft will fall out the bottom without this ring..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070917.jpg
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Install the band and then set the assembly back into the case. This is heavy and you need to make sure it gets seated correctly.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070919.jpg
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070923.jpg

Next lower the front pump back into the case. Make sure the trust washer does not fall off. I used a couple of drill bits to help line the pump up..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070924.jpg

Run all the bolts down.. just snug them..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070926.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070927.jpg

Make sure you have some end play with the input shaft. If not, then something is wrong.. Everything was good in my case… Torque the front pump bolts to 18 ft/lbs

Don’t forget to install the o-ring…

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070928.jpg

Install solenoids and filter..
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Clean pan and install gasket..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070936.jpg

All finished..
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070939.jpg

Time to install the 4L60e to 700R4 adapter.. this gets us back to the TH350 4bolt flange for the transmission to transfer case adapter.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070940.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070941.jpg

Now the fun part… I need to cut .500 inches off of the power coupler..
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070943.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070944.jpg
Success…

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070946.jpg
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070948.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070949.jpg

Transmission is complete..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070952.jpg
Time to mate it to the engine..
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070955.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070956.jpg
And then the progress came to a complete stop… The input seals for the transfer case are to big… Got to have them to continue..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070957.jpg

Decided to move forward with the Dirty Dingo Sliders…
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070958.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070959.jpg

All we need now is the seals and we can install the Transfer Case into the frame, and then install the transmission and engine…
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070961.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070962.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1070963.jpg

Hopefully NAPA or O’Reilly’s will have the seals I need… But I doubt it…. If not, I will install some new u-bolts on the DANA 44, and install the rear Brake hose. Maybe I will start on the wiring..

Good night..

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Awesome progress! I just got those seals (for my stock 350 to np205 adapter) from NAPA but they had to order them, took 2 days. Did you buy the gasket between the 205 and adapter by itself or as part of a kit? I need to find just that one.

Also, where did you get those crossmember mounts in the last pic?

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Wow! Mark, what a day. You got way more done than me. I know who is build my 4L60e if it takes a puke. Nice documentation and pictures. I hope to have one of these 4x4 trucks some day. This thread will be a how to step by step.

Looks like you got throught the coupler shortening without any trouble. Keep the updates coming.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Vintage,

Thanks....

I made the gasket...

I can not remember where I got the mounts... I will look tomorrow and let you know..

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks Mike.... I may need a few more tools before I am ready to build one up completely.... :-)

Cutting the coupler was strange.. you could tell when you got to the hard parts of the coupler.... but I finally got it....

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Well, I went to Eufaula this morning in search of the elusive transmission to transfer case seals. After working with Michael at Oreilly’s we discovered that the seals are called Transmission output seals. Of course they didn’t have them.. but there were 2 in McAlester.. So off the McAlester I went..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080003.jpg

Thought I would try the new heater this morning.. It really worked well…

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080001.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080002.jpg

There is an order you should follow to install the seals. The seals should be installed with the seal lip on each towards the Transmission and Transfer case.

First step is to install the seal on the transfer case side of the adapter.. install the seal with the seal lip pointed up towards the transfer case.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080004.jpg

Next step is to lube the seal lip and transfer case input shaft O-ring with some white lithium grease and mount the adapter to the transfer case.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080007.jpg
This was a good time to try out the shorty wrenches I got from lowes.. they worked great ..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080006.jpg
Next install power coupler onto the transfer case input shaft.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080009.jpg

After that install the seal on the transmission side of the adapter with seal lip pointed toward the transmission.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080010.jpg
Time to mount the Transfer case to the frame.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080011.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080012.jpg
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080014.jpg
After that swing the engine and transmission into the frame and bolt it up to the transfer case.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080015.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080016.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080017.jpg
Then the progress all came to an end.. again…
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080018.jpg
The engine has clearance problems with the cross member… Dirty Dingo said this plates would solve all those problems.. Sorry.. they is not a plate made that can solve this.. This will require some fabrication.
I thought I would try to move the entire drive train back a inch or so.. so I unbolted the transmission cross member and moved it.. no luck …. We are hitting a different area now..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080023.jpg
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Also, both driveshaft’s will have to be modified with the cross member in this location..

So back to the original location.. more pic’s of the problem..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080025.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080026.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080027.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080028.jpg


It does look good sitting there… to bad it ain’t right..
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080030.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080031.jpg
More pictures of the problem with the Dirty Dingo Sliders removed..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080034.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080035.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080036.jpg

Removed the upper part of the engine cross member and still have problems..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080037.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080038.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080043.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080044.jpg


Decided to install the transfer case support bushings, new rear brake hose, and new front spring u-bolts.. While I considered my options on the engine mounts.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080032.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080042.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080039.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080040.jpg
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This week while I am working on the solution to the engine mounting problem I will start on the wiring harness..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080045.jpg

Looks good.. wish it was mounted up..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080048.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1080049.jpg

I guess I have a few options.. fab something up myself…, hire someone to fab something up.. or look online for another solution
.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

You think we could cut the necessary clearance needed to make it drop into place and then weld some new metal in to make the mounts solid again?

I'm wondering what mount thealien used on his build?

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

I thought about that.. I am sure something could be fabed up..

I think thealien is using this,


http://www.pnkages.com/gallery/d/101...-29-09+004.jpg

http://www.pnkages.com/gallery/d/101...-29-09+006.jpg

http://www.pnkages.com/gallery/d/10117-2/DSCN3626.JPG

Not for sure.. I will PM him..

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Hey Mark I think this problem has popped up before, here is 1 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=479956 You will solve this I am sure. also keep looking for a cab, you might get lucky I know you can repair what you have but its still a ton of work and sheet metal patch panels. What you have done so far puts Mr goodwrench to Shame.....Ed

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks Ed.. I will check it out.. I bought a cab yesterday from a friend.. He done me right.... It will still need some work.. but nothing like the one I have now.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Vintage, I got the mounts from EnergySuspensionParts. The part number is below..

Part Number: 3.1106
Product Name: Transmission Mounts (2 Per Set)
Quantity: 1
Unit Price: $51.41
> > > Color : Red
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Part Number: 3.1107
Product Name: GM Transfer Case Torque Mount Bushings
Quantity: 1
Unit Price: $16.99
> > > Color : Red
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Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Crash_ok

Great work! really inspiring me to get to work on my 70 3/4

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks...

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Cool build!

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Thanks Average Joe...

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Started on the wiring.. I kinda got in the dog house.. I decided to bring the harness back to Edmond to work on it in the evenings.. The only place I had to work on it was our game room… The wife wasn’t to happy.. but I have done worse ;)

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1090051.jpg
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I am old so I printed the wiring schmatics I found on the LS1Tech site on to really large paper… It really has helped with the process.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1090055.jpg
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After a few minutes trying to figure out how the covers come off… I got started..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1090057.jpg
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http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1110075.jpg

 
I have 5 un-terminated wires coming out of the Park Selector.. I need to do some research on them.. my guess is some of them would have been the neutral safety switch wires..

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1110076.jpg
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Tomorrow, I hope to start taping the harness back up, and working on a fuses and relay schematic.

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Whoa? You made that look too easy. I think I ended up with unterminated wires on that park selector connector too. I think some wires may be used on your cruise? Not 100% sure about that. I like the big schematics. Great idea.
Look forward to more pictures:chevy:

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Thanks Mike.. I think some of the wires have to be for the neutral safety switch. Not sure about the others... I still need to get the alternator wiring done.. I need to figure out which connector is the alternator connector.
I really enjoy working with wiring... I thought about offering a service on converting factory harnesses to stand alone.. But I really need to think about it before I make that commitment.

Looks like my cross member will not be here until Monday, so I guess this weekend I will work on installing the gas tank and start on the fuel system. I thought about coming by sometime and working on getting the cab unbolted from the frame.. Would that be ok?

Re: Crash's 72 K10
 

Tonight I finished up the harness.. I still need to terminate the wires that will be connected to the truck.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1120078.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1120079.jpg

My harness had the GBCM on it, so I had to modify the harness by re-routing the alternator wires to the PCM. I used the existing alternator harness and soldered them to the correct leads on the PCM.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1120080.jpg
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I also decided to re-install the oil pressure switch harness. I have ScanGauge (www.scangauge.com) in my Tundra and plan on using one in the 72. It will provide me all of the gauge data.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1120083.jpg

Alternator harness back in its proper place

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1120084.jpg
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Next step was to extend the 12V+ power on Run and Start back towards the other wiring.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1120088.jpg
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Completed harness

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1130090.jpg
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Left over wires….

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/P1130093.jpg

Tomorrow I will place an order for the fuse block and relays I need… Also, I will start gathering the parts I need for the fuel system. My new engine cross member will be here Monday, so it will be next weekend before I can get the engine bolted in. I also, purchased a set of trailblazer 5.3L exhaust manifolds from Tanner at B&R Auto Parts in Tulsa. This is the same place that I got my engine, transmission, and other accessories for the build. Tanner has been very helpful in getting me the parts I need. I highly recommend Tanner and B&R Auto Parts.