factory use of bondo
working on rust repair on my burb, and i have ran into bondo which really appears to be factory. original paint, or so it looks. and how much did the factory use back in the day?
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My Chevelle had bondo in the front fender from the factory. We found it the first time we stripped it down for paint. There was a small area near the wheel opening. K |
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The company I was working for was doing a job at the Ford plant in Oakville Ontario Canada and I witnessed a head on collision in the plant. I didn't notice where their wrecking yard was located. Have a good one eh!
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My dad worked at Chrysler in Belvedere ILL in the late 60's, he has told me many times that body filler was a common thing on the assembly line.
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My experience is like Mark's- lead at the join of the roof to the quarter panel. They'd go light when the cars had a vinyl top, too. As for abuse of vehicles at the plant, You wouldn't believe the drag racing between the cars out in the "back 40". I know a guy who started a '72 350 Z-28 engine while it was on the chain, using a can of gas and a battery. He wound it out until the exhaust manifolds were red hot and then disconnected the battery. It hung there, dieseling, for awhile. I wonder if the dealer had to replace the engine before selling the car that went in. :devil: He was a real jackass.
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A story I was told from one of my grandpa's buddies who worked at the GM Van Nuys plant in the late 50s/early 60s said that when it was time for model change at the end of the production year, one of the line supervisors would go down rows of cars ready to ship and he had himself a clipboard and a hammer. He would go down the line and smack so many cars so that the body/paint and finish parts of the line (who had the most seniority) would not be laid off during the downtime while the line was updated for the next model year. So probably quite a few cars with bondo in the from the factory.
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Here's a cut and paste from Wikipedia on the old Fremont GM Plant that became NUMMi and has since became the Tesla Plant.
I was involved construction wise on the conversion to NUMMI and heard horror stories from some of the rehired GM employees of the stuff that went on. They all had the same consensus of "I would have shut it down too".............................................::::: Before NUMMI, the site was the former Fremont Assembly that General Motors operated between 1962 and 1982.[3][4][5] Employees at the Fremont plant[6] were "considered the worst workforce in the automobile industry in the United States," according to a later recounting by a leader of the workers own union, the United Auto Workers (UAW).[7][8] GM as a company was departmentalized (design, manufacturing) as per Henry Ford's division of labor, but without the necessary communication and collaboration between the departments. There was an adversarial relationship between workers and plant supervisors, with management not considering the employees view on production, and quantity was preferred over quality.[8][9][10] Like all American car plants, the production lines at Fremont seldom stopped, and when mistakes were made cars continued down the line with the expectation that they would be fixed later.[8] By the early 1980s, the adversarial relationship had deteriorated to the point where employees drank alcohol, smoked marijuana (at the time, an illegal activity), were frequently absent (enough so that the production line couldn't be started), and even committed petty acts of sabotage such as putting "Coke bottles inside the door panels, so they'd rattle and annoy the customer."[7][8] Attempts to discipline workers were often met with grievances or even strikes, putting the plant into near-continuous chaos. By 1982, GM had had enough and closed Fremont Assembly and laid off its thousands of workers.[8] |
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That wasn't just a California problem. The Chevy Vegas were highly vandalized at the Lordstown, Ohio plant due to the level of automation involved in their assembly. I'm sure that there are more examples.
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My dad bought a brand new 1987 Custom Deluxe when I was a kid, that had # different shades of white on it when he bought it. I guess on the lot, overcast day maybe, it didn't really show until he got it home and the sun was shining. Bed was obviously one color white, cab another, and doors either matched the bed but looked like a third color, or whatever. In any case, he got a free paint job on a brand new truck. Who knows if it was transport damage or just a mess up at the plant.
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Had to have been a paint "mix" up, because there is only one white in a given year.
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I guess bondo was never intended to be used at the factory, but sh!+ happens. I have a driver side door from a '68 truck that was original paint before I stripped it bare. Stripping it bare meant grinding off all the bondo in the mirror area and below, standard mirror. There are slide hammer holes and they got all the high spots out. It's ready for fresh bondo. This is not me making a repair. This is me restoring to factory specs :lol:. I figured it was a transport mishap but could have happened anywhere along the way
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He went ballistic. He started threatening anyone near by, yelling, and starting running down the line banging the power tools into the side of the trucks. I called plant security and they tried to catch him, but he out ran them all the way to the parking lot, turning over trash cans and generally leaving a mess in his wake. As my other workers came back from lunch, I remember them commenting (unknowingly) - "geez, boss, you should see the parking lot: looks like a tornado hit it with all the trash cans turned over..." I don't recall that he ever came back. It really broke my heart because, as I say, up to that point he was a great worker... We didn't have to intentionally smash cars in Flint because we had enough repair to keep us busy as it was. |
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It's just the way the game was played. Even for most obvious offenses the foreman could write the guy up and it would immediately be met with a corresponding grievance. Kind of like "charges" when you get arrested: they throw everything they can think of at it to see what sticks, and so there is a bunch of fat that can be negotiated away later. I had one guy that only worked about 3 days a week (and when he did show up he was usually out of it). He came in one day and said "...you are not going to believe this, but I had four flat tires yesterday". He was right. I didn't believe him, so I wrote him up. I immediately was hit with a grievance. When it came time to negotiate I told his commiteeman "if you show me a receipt from a tire store, for four new tires, or four tire repairs - I'll throw the penalty out". I'm still waiting. It's been 45 years. I'm starting to lose hope. K |
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As you can see below (I'm going from memory here), there's sort of a logical escalation in the process. But - there's a couple caveats. 1 - what happens "on paper" is not the same as what happens in real life. There's a bit of a stagger there (negotiated during one of the famous GM/UAW contract agreements) that buys the employee a bit more time. 2 - it's not obvious, but the employee can work his way backwards. There are a couple ways this happens, either because the violations can time out and fall off if the guy keeps his nose clean, or they can actually be negotiated away during dispute remediation. When they "go away" the infraction is redacted using a grease pencil so it cannot be read. This means you could have a guy with a "clean record" but his rap sheet is as long as your arm with black grease pencil marks. Similarly, a different guy might ride the rev limiter, bumping against "BOS & 30 days" or Termination but never quite crossing the goal line. I have a cousin that got fired from GM. I'm not proud, but you can see that is quite an accomplishment. K |
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OK, the guy that burnt up the Z-28 engine also stole lots of stuff but never got caught. Back in the '70s when cars were selling like crazy, and overtime was required, he got in a fight with another person. It was him running his mouth that started it. But he's big,- 6'-4" and strong as an ox, so he gets away with a lot.
He's up in the office waiting his turn, reading a brochure about a Las Vegas getaway. They're going to give him BoS and one day off. He shows them the brochure and says he'd enjoy the time off. He was told, "Get back on the line, you SoB!". Worse punishment. :lol: |
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The guy that did it was back to work before my General Foreman was out of the hospital. K |
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The UAW got most all of them their jobs back afterwards. |
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