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Gregski 03-20-2021 06:50 PM

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and out of all the 57 bolts on top of this monstrocity these are the only two that actually hold it down to the transmission no kidding no joke

LT7A 03-22-2021 08:13 AM

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too far forward and kiss the dash and then lay way too far back and hug the seat

It just sounds like it's lonely.

LT7A 03-22-2021 08:21 AM

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now before you blame me the installer let me tell you that the other bolt (the one on the side) that worked itself out is only held in place by like 3 threads and then it is designed to bottom out and can't screw in any further, so there's that

It appears that some loctite love is in your immediate future. I'm far too much of a realist to be a silver linings guy, but it does appear that there's an alternate perspective available here. If you had never pulled the transmission cover off and allowed the shifter to move around enough to telegraph the problem, one day you might have had the lever pop off in your hand and be waving it around the cab wondering what to do with it. Be okay if it was stuck in drive but if it was in reverse it might be a different story.

Gregski 03-23-2021 02:12 AM

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It appears that some loctite love is in your immediate future. I'm far too much of a realist to be a silver linings guy, but it does appear that there's an alternate perspective available here. If you had never pulled the transmission cover off and allowed the shifter to move around enough to telegraph the problem, one day you might have had the lever pop off in your hand and be waving it around the cab wondering what to do with it. Be okay if it was stuck in drive but if it was in reverse it might be a different story.

Yeah the last three breakdowns were in my driveway, thank you Rusty!

LT7A 03-23-2021 06:06 AM

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Yeah the last three breakdowns were in my driveway, thank you Rusty!

Funny, my last two have been as well. I managed to find a little gratefulness for that in the middle of my frustration of the breakdown. Are you going to contact Lokar? They should want to be aware of this issue, after all, it was more than one screw that was jettisoned. It seems that they might need to provide loctite with the shifter. Plus, they oughta overnight you a couple of the right size screws.

Gregski 03-23-2021 11:19 AM

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Funny, my last two have been as well. I managed to find a little gratefulness for that in the middle of my frustration of the breakdown. Are you going to contact Lokar? They should want to be aware of this issue, after all, it was more than one screw that was jettisoned. It seems that they might to provide loctite with the shifter. Plus, they oughta overnight you a couple of the right size screws.

Yes I wrote them an email and sent it in with pics. Eric called me back and we spoke on the phone. They mainatain that an S bend in the threaded rod is still the way to go, well now Eric said put two S bends in the shifter rod to get around the Neutral switch on the side of my 4L60e.

I asked him if you could send me the rod with the bends in it and I would gladly pay them for it if not at least the shipping, he said they can not because it depends on my application, which I disagree with, since they know exactly which position my stick sits in and how far it needs to go to the stock transmission lever, plus they should have a mule trans set up in their lab or their test station.

He also told me I can not use their cable shifter since it appears my trans crossmember is in the way.

I am honestly looking at other options, and cable I think is the only way to go.

Gregski 03-26-2021 12:13 AM

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if you're tired of doing things right the first time, and prefer to do things the hard way than I strongly recommend looming your thinned out custom LS wiring harness whilst already installed on the truck

here I have pulled up the transmission branch which I put off looming for about a year

I figured now's as good time as any since I had to remove the turtle shell to fandangle with the busted Lokar shifter

Gregski 03-26-2021 12:18 AM

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and this is where things went south

the unloomed wiring harness worked

the purdy loomed harness not so much, well it worked except for one thing, it wouldn't show me which gear I selected manually with the Lokar shifter like it useta could

so I quickly determined it must be the gooey neutral safety switch, cause the earlier two plug ones had the plugs silliconed or glued in and usually they would break if you tried to divorce them

here I was trying to take the plug off of one of the wire connectors in order to clean it, but not even with my specialized tool could I remove the pins, no way no how

Gregski 03-26-2021 12:21 AM

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I had no choice but to fork over $30 bucks to AMAZON for new plugulators

hind sight, I should have done did this when I first did the enjin swap!

Gregski 03-26-2021 12:27 AM

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naturally we will be replacing the Multi Language Profanity generator aka MLP Switch as well as it is covered in Gorilla snot having seen better days

thank you General for building in this obsolescence

Gregski 04-02-2021 03:21 AM

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so the new neutral safety switch for the 4L60e and the pig tails showed up

Gregski 04-02-2021 03:24 AM

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and it looks like they plugulate nicely

LT7A 04-02-2021 04:08 AM

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So help me understand. You decided to fix some stuff while you were in there that wasn't really broken but could be better. And in order to fix it you had to break it and now that it's broken you have to unbroke it. Is that about right?

If so, I can sympathize and wish you luck.

Gregski 04-02-2021 12:10 PM

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So help me understand. You decided to fix some stuff while you were in there that wasn't really broken but could be better. And in order to fix it you had to break it and now that it's broken you have to unbroke it. Is that about right?

If so I can sympathize and wish you luck.

that is positively correct

Gregski 04-02-2021 09:48 PM

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when splicing in a new pig tail I like to cut my wires in staggered formation to offset the joins and keep my wiring harness from looking like an anaconda that just swallowed a bunny rabbit whole

Gregski 04-02-2021 09:51 PM

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and just like that we got our gear selector reading proper gears again, upper right hand corner of my super awesome (pronounced: expensive) gauge

Gregski 04-03-2021 11:18 AM

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Well great, no sooner do I fix that, and now I have to deal with a clicking solenoid I recon, more as the news develops

Wgesnerjr 04-05-2021 01:13 PM

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I learned this as well.

For those that try to unplug the shift indicator switch on the trans, the plugs are "glued" in for some reason. I figure some one at GM thought they should keep contaminates out.

I learned that if you heat the switch with a heat gun or blow drier, the plugs will release. This will have to be done each time you unplug as the glue will adhere once the plugs are inserted.

Gregski found the easiest way of all. Replace with a non-glued switch and plugs.

Gregski 04-05-2021 01:29 PM

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I learned this as well.

For those that try to unplug the shift indicator switch on the trans, the plugs are "glued" in for some reason. I figure some one at GM thought they should keep contaminates out.

I learned that if you heat the switch with a heat gun or blow drier, the plugs will release. This will have to be done each time you unplug as the glue will adhere once the plugs are inserted.

Gregski found the easiest way of all. Replace with a non-glued switch and plugs.

Yes sir, I wish I would have done did this prior to droppin her in the rig. Anywho the previous motor owner must have gently removed the plugs using a 5 foot long pry bar, just sayin'

Interestingly my 2004 swap has the newer style larger single plugulator on this switch, and GM must have ran out of glue for those, cause it seems to go in and out freely

Gregski 04-07-2021 11:26 AM

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so I managed to hook up my laptop with HP Tuners on it and use a feature in the Scanner called Controls & Special Functions which allows you to click things off and on on demand in hopes of figuring out which one of the transmission solenoids is doing all the loud clicking

and I must admit with the key in the on position and the truck not running, both 1-2 and the 2-3 solenoids sound exactly the same

I also drove around with each one disabled at a time to see if the clicking goes away, and it does with both, but I think the 1-2 solenoid is the bad one, as I don't think we'll ever shift from second to third if the 1-2 solenoid is disabled type a thing

if you got experience with this stuff please help a brother out, I aint an automagical transmission expert by any means

LT7A 04-07-2021 01:36 PM

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Cool that you have that diagnostic capability and I hope it indicates the problem. Sorry that I am no help.

Gregski 04-15-2021 10:52 PM

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yeah I'm pretty sure we need to replace the transonamission solenoid, so I decided to check my camber instead

we always air them up to some consistent pressure at all four corners, I went 35 PSI today

Gregski 04-15-2021 10:57 PM

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then I decided that the good ol' analog Cambermatic 300 just was not cutting it any longer

shown here reporting an absurd amount of negative camber on the texter side of the rig, don't get me wrong it's accurate but it reads in "bubbles" and not in degrees

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:06 PM

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so it was time to whittle a new tool (not my idea I seen this on the InterWebs)

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:08 PM

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you know me and rounded corners on my brackets, well that's how I do on custom tools as well...

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:11 PM

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ladies and gentlement... The Digital Cambermatic 3000

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:18 PM

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and here it is in action

Driver side has 1.20 of Negative Camber which is OK(ish)

Texter side has 2.10 of Negative Camber which is Too Much

however now at least we know in degrees how much out of whack we are

Note: I believe back in the day the Manuals for these 60s and 70s vehicles read something like +1 or -1 of camber was acceptable, which is redunculous, you go ahead and set your driver side wheel to -1 and your passenger side to +1 and I'll meet you at the telephone pole

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:22 PM

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so it was time to bust out the shims, and when it comes to Camber, don't over think things, first if you struggle with remembering which is Negative camber and which is Positive camber, just remember In and Out as in the top of the wheels lean In or the top of the wheels lean Out

and just use the alphabet trick

N in Negative comes before P in Positive just as I in In comes before O in Out

You're welcome

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:26 PM

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remember we are focusing just on the passenger side, so here is what the current shimming situation looks like

and if all you are doing is addressing the Camber then always add or remove the same amount of shims to both the front and the back of the upper control arm

Note: there are more shims in the back of the upper control arm that is to set Positive Caster a topic for another day

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:30 PM

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some shims come with a little hole in them mine did not, now they do

this makes it zip tie friendly and keeps the profanity down to a minimum

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:32 PM

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mandatory stare and compare of the ol' analog Cambermatic 300 and the new and improved digital Cambermatic 3000 shown with the Pro Plus option second magnetic level attachment used to ensure verticability

Gregski 04-15-2021 11:51 PM

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so adding two shims to front and back of the upper control arm got me in the OK(ish) ballpark with the same negative camber on both sides, I may revisit both sides after some shake down driving and see if I can get them both slightly under -1

4u2nv 04-16-2021 06:44 AM

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so adding two shims to front and back of the upper control arm got me in the OK(ish) ballpark with the same negative camber on both sides, I may revisit both sides after some shake down driving and see if I can get them both slightly under -1

I like your method .

Gregski 04-16-2021 09:40 PM

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it's that time of year again...

Annual Seat Sale!

Wgesnerjr 04-17-2021 10:16 AM

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Oooh! :metal:

Gregski 04-17-2021 01:50 PM

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Oooh! :metal:

You mean Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! :metal: :metal: :metal:

Wgesnerjr 04-19-2021 10:41 AM

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You're right!!

I cant wait for a Gregski install write up on these!!

Gregski 04-19-2021 11:33 AM

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You're right!!

I cant wait for a Gregski install write up on these!!

probly not what you had in mind, but her you go...

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&postcount=525

LT7A 04-19-2021 04:13 PM

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"you go ahead and set your driver side wheel to -1 and your passenger side to +1 and I'll meet you at the telephone pole"

Hahaha, good call. I like the tool you made and your process. Is Rusty getting some new shoes? I couldn't help but notice some white raised letters - well, blue at the moment.

Gregski 04-19-2021 08:48 PM

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"you go ahead and set your driver side wheel to -1 and your passenger side to +1 and I'll meet you at the telephone pole"

Hahaha, good call. I like the tool you made and your process. Is Rusty getting some new shoes? I couldn't help but notice some white raised letters - well, blue at the moment.

Rusty recently got sum, so I'm adjusting the camber to see if I can get more than 10,000 miles out of these, ha ha jk

the blue high heels in the pic were from my '54 they came off the front cause they were to wide at 245 micronmeters so I went with 215s


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