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KQQL IT 08-13-2022 12:35 PM

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Got my parts in by lug nut 4x4

Time for some brake over hauling on Old blue.
Needs a master cylinder too.
Now to figure out what is who under this pieced together truck.
Squarebody front front crossmember and brakes

New calipers rotors wheel studs and seals with stainless brake flex lines.
Can't wait to get this on Old blue

GMCBubba 08-13-2022 02:39 PM

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please post pictures of the progress of your project. This is the direction I will go if I keep having issues with my rear drums.

KQQL IT 08-14-2022 02:17 PM

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So I'm researching parts.
And apparently the c10 and c20 use a different master cylinder. The fittings are switched front to rear.

Can someone tell me which master cylinder this truck has?

As it's a originally a manual brake c10 that's been swapped to 8 lug stuff.

kwmech 08-14-2022 03:36 PM

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That looks like a front reservoir to front brakes, BUT that line should not bend above the height of the fluid level. Has potential for an air pocket at the top. What 'cha gonna do for a parking brake

KQQL IT 08-14-2022 04:02 PM

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Nothing.
This one hasn't been used since I got it. Flat lander problems.
And I agree that brake line is terrible.
Going to delete the ancient trailer brake controller while I'm there.
Just wanted to get the right master so I'm not reinventing anything on the 1 day a week I have to work on Old blue.

GMCBubba 08-14-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kwmech (Post 9112493)
That looks like a front reservoir to front brakes, BUT that line should not bend above the height of the fluid level. Has potential for an air pocket at the top. What 'cha gonna do for a parking brake

I think Lugnut4x4 has kits that include e-brakes.

jocko 08-14-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KQQL IT (Post 9112470)
So I'm researching parts.
And apparently the c10 and c20 use a different master cylinder. The fittings are switched front to rear.
Can someone tell me which master cylinder this truck has?
As it's a originally a manual brake c10 that's been swapped to 8 lug stuff.

So, there's a lot going on here!
The mc pictured appears to be from a pre-71 C10 (all 1/4" lines; front res line goes to front of distrib block, and on to front brake wheel cylinders). Is that what old Blue started as, a pre-71 C10?

If you're converting a pre-71 C10 to a 4-wheel disk C20, all bets are kinda off for using a factory mc since there was no such animal from the factory for a truck.

You are correct that a 3/4 ton mc is different than a 1/2 ton mc in the disk/drum years of 71-72. For a 71-72 3/4 ton, the front reservoir fed the REAR drum brakes and had 1/4" lines - whereas the rear reservoir fed the FRONT disk brakes and had 3/16" lines. But, BOTH were designed for a disk/drum brake system.

You have a unique scenario with a 4 wheel disk setup - none of the stock master cylinders are designed for that. I'd recommend that you install an aftermarket mc recommended by the disk kit mfgr (and make sure they know you need an mc for a truck with 3/4 ton running gear). OR, I'd consider a Vette 4-wheel disk type mc as a viable option also. But I'd definitely replace the current mc - and I'd try to install one that is designed for a 4-wheel disk setup.

I'd also talk to your kit mfgr for line size recommendations. Generally speaking, disk system lines are 3/16" - and I'm suspecting you have all 1/4" lines today. That is probably ok, the brakes will still work - but IF you happen to be replacing lines, I'd ask the kit mfgr what they recommend as they may recommend 3/16" all the way around. Again, I wouldn't lose too much sleep if you have all 1/4" lines - that's ok. But IF you're replacing stuff - keep in mind that in a 4 wheel disk setup, the MC "should" be designed for 4 wheel disks and you'd probably want to install an adjustable proportioning valve to be able to fine-tune your system. And you'll want to ensure your lines are at least all the same size across the entire system.

KQQL IT 08-14-2022 07:02 PM

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Started life as a 68 c10 swb manual brake and steering truck.
At some point like 73-4 it got a 71 ish long bed back half.
Then again at some point it gained a complete square body front crossmember.
It's like a game of sleuth getting parts for this old truck.
But being this truck was my parents it's fun.


I wonder if a corvette master would go in this booster with minimal reinventing.

KQQL IT 08-14-2022 07:15 PM

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From the lugnut page.

All of our brake kits are designed to work with the original factory brake system, so install as is fast and easy as possible. Select your Dana 60 below to find the exact kit you need.

KQQL IT 08-14-2022 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko (Post 9112550)
So, there's a lot going on here!
The mc pictured appears to be from a pre-71 C10 (all 1/4" lines; front res line goes to front of distrib block, and on to front brake wheel cylinders). Is that what old Blue started as, a pre-71 C10?


https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=730468
Short story of Old blue, it has carried me around since before I was born.
Pretty special old truck

KQQL IT 08-15-2022 08:41 PM

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Shopping for master cylinder and proportioning valves, and I've noticed except for moraine brakes?
Should I get another booster too.

Bob408SS 08-16-2022 04:45 PM

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I installed the Lugnut kit on my 72 C20 Dana 60, and was worried about the disc/disc performance without adding a new/different proportioning valve, but it works just great without messing with or adding anything!

KQQL IT 08-17-2022 12:12 AM

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My master cylinder is currently leaking.
And since I've opened up this can of worms.
May as well make it as good as I can.

KQQL IT 11-23-2022 01:13 PM

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So I got around to changing parts finally.
Got a c20 master- I needed adapters to make it work with the new proportioning valve.
And It locked up the back brakes.
The old one leaked and had floaters in the reservoir
Swapped it to squarebody master I had on the shelf.
No adapters required and seems to work however the small er ish front brake lines make me wonder.

The old truck still has original type rotors under it

Joyridin 11-25-2022 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KQQL IT (Post 9112553)
Started life as a 68 c10 swb manual brake and steering truck.
At some point like 73-4 it got a 71 ish long bed back half.
Then again at some point it gained a complete square body front crossmember.
It's like a game of sleuth getting parts for this old truck.
But being this truck was my parents it's fun.


I wonder if a corvette master would go in this booster with minimal reinventing.

That looks to be a Corvette master cylinder. The big front and rear fluid compartments look about right. Here is a Corvette master. There are a few slightly different designs.

KQQL IT 06-24-2023 09:45 PM

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Well finally got around to the rear disc swap. As a wheel cylinder died. Good reason to get it over with.

1/2 studs in the truck
9/16 studs in the kit.
Giant pain finding a proper drill bit, and worse a competent micrometer operator.
However it's going together for now.
Hopefully final assembly and review tomorrow.
For now a cold beer to celebrate a 4hr project taking 8 for just one side.

KQQL IT 06-25-2023 10:36 AM

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Finally, one side.
Mostly straightforward swap without the stud size debacle. And the shim behind the caliper brackets

KQQL IT 06-25-2023 06:22 PM

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Done.
Better peddle than the drums ever had.
Actually stops vs just slowing down.

KQQL IT 07-07-2023 09:09 PM

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After a few weeks of driving with a consistent brake pedal.
10 out of 10 for performance
8 of 10 for installation
Still thinking a pv4 proportioning valve would help.
Seems a bit tail happy on a panic brake application

Rust_never_sleeps 07-10-2023 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KQQL IT (Post 9218244)
Still thinking a pv4 proportioning valve would help.
Seems a bit tail happy on a panic brake application

Are you running a PV2 in a 4 disc system?

KQQL IT 07-10-2023 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rust_never_sleeps (Post 9218913)
Are you running a PV2 in a 4 disc system?


Per the kit manufacturer.
Yes, however I'm going to install a pv4 proportioning valve eventually.

KQQL IT 01-22-2024 06:58 PM

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Tire rotation and everything looks good.
Finally lost the cross hatch in the rotors.
Still a pv2 proportioning valve too.


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