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Gregski 05-30-2020 01:03 AM

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now as far as my Left (aka driver side) turn signal problem, technically it ain't a turn signal problem, the turn signals work fine, all of them

the problem is the parking light or what ever you want to call it, the left aka driver orange parking light in the left fender does NOT come on

here are the facts:
1. there is a light brown wire that runs from the black square bulk head connector on the firewall to both the left and the right side parking lights

2a. a light blue wire runs from the same bulk head connector to the left (driver) side orange parking light in the fender

2a. a dark blue wire runs from the same bulk head connector to the right (passanger) side orange parking light in the fender
TROUBLESHOOTING

teach me something because my testing shows I am a total ignoramous

I thought the light blue and the dark blue wires were supposed to be positive and when touched to ground with a test light the test light should illuminate, but that is not what happens in my case, the opposite is true, the light comes on when with an alligator clip on the light or dark blue wires when I touch the pointy end of the test light to the positive terminal on the battery, but whatever I think the blue wires are for the turn signals and those seem to work

now the brown wire I assume is the common wire for the parking lights both left and right, so I don't get why I get no signal / power in it at the left fender, I think I need to unwrap it all all the way back to the bulk head and examine every inch for splice-atalogy problems

LT7A 05-30-2020 03:57 PM

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It's not a good sign when the task does not even receive a fun level rating. Good luck man.

Gregski 05-30-2020 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LT7A (Post 8748957)
It's not a good sign when the task does not even receive a fun level rating. Good luck man.

LOL, yup, this task is yet to be rated, your comment on the other hand ...

Comment Level: Expert

LT7A 05-31-2020 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 8748958)
LOL, yup, this task is yet to be rated, your comment on the other hand ...

Comment Level: Expert

Hahaha

texxxan 06-01-2020 07:39 AM

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I'm glad to see that Rusty is getting some love.

Gregski 06-01-2020 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by texxxan (Post 8749849)
I'm glad to see that Rusty is getting some love.

yup, me too, but he's been a little shiet lately

Gregski 06-01-2020 03:45 PM

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EUREKA !!! I finally figured out my left side marker (parking light) problem. FOUR YEARS later.

texxxan 06-01-2020 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 8750154)
EUREKA !!! I finally figured out my left side marker (parking light) problem. FOUR YEARS later.

Do tell...

Gregski 06-01-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by texxxan (Post 8750161)
Do tell...

ha ha, short answer: bad (yet fully functional) sister parking light bulb aka the one below the headlight above the bumper!?

full report @ 11:00

Gregski 06-01-2020 08:49 PM

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so basically in order to fix this Parking Light

Gregski 06-01-2020 08:51 PM

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... we had to replace a perfectly good in working order light bulb in this Parking Light

We will just file this repair in our "I hit myself in the head with a hammer cause it feels good when I stop" folder and collectively move on.

Gregski 06-01-2020 08:57 PM

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Wait, what? Inquiring minds want to know how I fingered it out?

Alright, after all you are under quarantine, or as I like to call it a captive audience, ha ha

so on a serious note I want to share what I went through because it can actually help somebody out and maybe knock off a year or two off the time it takes to fix this, ha ha

Here's how I went about it. I wanted to figure how these lights worked and not just hack at it until it worked.

The first thing you need to do is figure out how a component works, in this case what each wire does. This was simple enough as the pig tail in question only had two pig tails, a light blue wire and a brown wire.

Now here's a Top Tip: when trying to figure out how something works, doing so when it is broken is definitely not the time to do it. Lucky for us we had another turn signal / marker just like this one on the other side in working order, so we employed our Stare and Compare methodology.

this allowed us to quickly pick up on the fact that although each light had a different color blue wire (drive side light blue, passenger side dark blue) they each shared the same brown wire, this allowed us to Divide and Conquer even further.

Gregski 06-01-2020 09:03 PM

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since the turn signals were working we focused on the brown wire, to simplicate things even further and eliminate the fuse panel and the light switch, I removed the bulk head connector off the firewall and alligator cliped a power lead from the battery positive terminal directly to the brown wire pin on the back side of the bulkhead connector - and watched three of the four marker lights illuminate

Gregski 06-01-2020 09:09 PM

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after poking and probing with a test light and things not making sense I decided to yank the front marker light (the one below the headlight) and stare at it

this one made sense, in addition to the brown wire which we know sends the parking light signal, and the light blue wire which is the left turn signal signal (ha ha) it had a third wire, unlike the side marker light, it had a black wire which was the GROUND! now that makes sense color wires send the +++++ pluseses and the GROUND carries the ----- minuses (I know that's not how electricity actually flows, so please don't call the Electrode Police on me just yet I is just explaining things)

so how the hewk does our little guy in the fender get it's ground? he don't have a metal housing so it cant be contact with the sheet metal

Gregski 06-01-2020 09:23 PM

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why it has to be getting it's ground through the light blue wire somehow, there is no other choice

so I poked at it some more with my test light and nothing, so once again I went to the working side and sure enough with the test light alligator clip connected to the battery positive terminal when I poked at the dark blue wire connector inside the socket it acted as a ground and the test light lit up

so back I went to the bad side and hooked up a long black wire lead from the battery negative terminal to an exposed section of the light blue wire at a Y junction as a temporary bypass and sure enough the side marker parking light came on - SAY WHAT?

I know right it don't make no sense, but now we knew how to make it work so lets press on

Gregski 06-01-2020 09:30 PM

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so here's what we knew at this point
1. both side and front left marker lights need a ground to function

2. the front market light has a black ground wire the side marker light does not
so how do we send a ground signal from the front market light with the ground wire to the side marker light?

answer: via the stinkin' light bulb

somehow in some way the light bulb takes the ground signal from the front marker light and shares it with the side marker light via the light blue wire (I honestly still don't understand this magic, but I accept it)

I also do not comprehend why a good working light bulb was insufficient to send the ground signal, but a different one of the same model number was

I even cleaned it thinking it was dirty contacts and no dice, when I moved the bulb from the working side to the non working side it would work, when I went the other way it would not, luckily I found another working bulb in my stash

pic of a bulb that would not work though it matched the working bulb exactly, this is the one I cleaned the contacts on after taking the pic

daddyjeep 06-02-2020 08:38 AM

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Gee.... I wonder why it took you 4 years to figure out. The solution was clear as mud.

moregrip 06-02-2020 09:22 AM

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Impressive, nice work; I'll definitely try and hold on to this gem in my memory bank!

Wgesnerjr 06-02-2020 10:55 AM

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If I remember correctly, the side marker and the front signal flash in an alternating pattern, right?

If so, I would think the side marker gets its ground from the front signal bulb when it is NOT activated. Therefore is lit when parking lights/headlights are on giving power to the side marker and ground thru the Front signal bulb.

When front signal is activated, the ground goes to the front signal bulb to light it and stops at the side marker. Therefore alternating the flash. Side, Front, Side Front, etc.

Gregski 06-02-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wgesnerjr (Post 8750543)
If I remember correctly, the side marker and the front signal flash in an alternating pattern, right?.

Interesting, I just went out and tested it on my '74 and nope, they dingle at the same time. The light blue wire simply has a Y splice and one end goes to the side marker and the other to the front marker. Same deal on the other side but its a dark blue wire.

truckin 79 06-02-2020 01:22 PM

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I think the ground for lights are right at radiator support or was that the Trans Am. I am pretty sure the grounds are right under the where the fender attaches.

Gregski 06-02-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by truckin 79 (Post 8750615)
I think the ground for lights are right at radiator support or was that the Trans Am. I am pretty sure the grounds are right under the where the fender attaches.

Correct but those grounds go to the front marker lights, there are no black ground wires going to the side marker lights.

Wgesnerjr 06-03-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 8750556)
Interesting, I just went out and tested it on my '74 and nope, they dingle at the same time. The light blue wire simply has a Y splice and one end goes to the side marker and the other to the front marker. Same deal on the other side but its a dark blue wire.

So I am "working" from home today and looked at my 85. They do flash together. I don't remember where I saw the alternating thing.

I also tested the turn-signal flasher has 2 prongs and it has 12 volts power on one side and, when activated, will flash 12 volts power to the other side. seems like there would have to be a full time ground somewhere.

hatzie 06-03-2020 02:56 PM

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The factory wiring makes the side markers alternate with the front turns.

Gregski 06-03-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hatzie (Post 8751255)
The factory wiring makes the side markers alternate with the front turns.

thanks, wish you had some squares to go out and test it for yourself like Jay and I did, question for you: are the front marker lights wired to both the turn signal switch (via the light and dark blue wires) and the headlight switch (via the brown wire) or just one or the other?


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