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I'll be captain obvious here... They need to be throughly clean as well as the anti-rotation indents in the rods and caps clear of crud.
You also need to be sure the oil holes from the main journals to the rod journals are clear of crud. If you get any siginifcant crud from the rod journal feed holes you may need to pull the block so you can remove the crank. Install them with assembly lube not dry. If the cam or main bearings are loose the oil pressure will drop. |
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thank you all for your feedback, coming up are some visuals
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#1 this one is bad (don't mind the tiny specs of dirt on it now I got that on the bearing whilst pulling it out) but something else could have been in there before, who knows
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#2 also bad/loose - I'm beginning to think there was some crud on the #1/#2 crank journal
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#3 was good
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# 4 was good too
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You definitely has some garbage going around in there. It likely the mains look the same now. How does the rod journal look on the crank?
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What does the #1-2 rod journal look like? For that matter 3-4, 5-6, & 7-8 too... I've done rod and even main bearings in-frame but if I had to get into the cylinders with a hone and-or ridge reamer the block got pulled so I could wash out all of the leftover crud with Kerosene and DAWN. The tiny pieces of stone and cast iron gets airborne and goes everywhere. You can't keep it out of the important parts. The metal and carborundum dust is same reason nobody uses their good lathe for toolpost grinding you use the cheap one that had a rough life instead. |
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Well let me show you how the other half lives
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When you were honing the cylinders you seemed to be pretty careful with the deflector thingy you had.
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# 5 was ok
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# 6 was ok
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# 7 was horrible the worst one of them all, and I suspect the source of the rattle
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# 8 was ok
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but that's not the end of it, I found water in the oil pan and when I removed the oil pan water dripped on to the floor from the inside of the block somewhere, now I say water cause after the heads came off to replace the rings I filled the radiator with water only, common practice when you first reassemble the motor, in case you find a leak or need to tear it apart again, anywho it appears it is running down the back wall of the engine block, the wall that butts up against the fly wheel, but keep in mind the front of my truck is jacked up on jack stands to make for easier crawlability under it
so yes at this time it appears we are polishing a turd |
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but since we was pot committed and because I am a complitionist by nature I bought three new standard size bearings and replaced #1, #2, and #7
I torqued them down to 45 foot pounds in two stages this time, first to 30 foot pounds then to 45 foot pounds (by the way my new China made Craftsman torque wrench is a piece of complete garbage, the plastic handle jams and feels flimzy, I hate that tool) also this time I did not grease the back sides of the bearings and allowed the juicy special sauce on the crank to self lube the fronts well another 9 hour day spent working on the truck, at least I can't say I didn't have the time to work on it finally my day culminated with a start up, rev up to 3000 RPM for 1 minute, a 10 minute warm up, then a nice 50 mile drive, streets and finally highway no noises yet, but we will see what happens after a couple heat cycles, ie start and drive the truck, then let it sit there cool off, then start and drive it again last time it lasted 100 miles, lets see if we can beat that, LOL but I do see a roller block in the near future, Rusty get ready for a transplant! |
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The water could be explained by any number of things. Leaky head gasket, intake manifold gasket, crack in the block or when you removed the heads it got into the motor. It seems quite possible some remnants from the hone job could have caused that bearing failure though. Did you lubricate the hone at all? It seems like if it was lubed it might run down the inside of the block and get all over. If it was dry then stone and iron dust would get air born and go all over. Hopefully you have it straightened out now.
FYI Last time I pulled my heads I used a 1/4" house with a large tapered tip from my might vac kit to stick in the head bolt hole at the rear of the engine and syphoned the water jacket down, worked great, didn't get a drop of water in the cylinders. |
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I would have liked to seen some side by sides of your old bearing vs new. IMO none of those look very good for only 100 miles.
Also, gotta imagine if its tearing the rod bearings up, whats it doing to the cam and mains. |
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Ok greg... the suspense is killing me is Rusty alive?
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