1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Okay as exciting as that title is, its finally happening. I'm getting some LS/LT swap going on in my life. Always wanted to swap something but never had the time or money.

In doing all of the research I have finally decided on an L83 out of a 2015 Silverado. A little more money up front and cost involved in the swap, but it's the latest and greatest unless we're talking that E-Rod thing that GM came out with and I am not doing that.

This is where we'll start. I picked up this suburban making a terrible knocking noise only when you start it or shut it off. It also had a terrible drivability issue that turned out to be a simple fuel pump problem. It's a TBI 454 TH400 truck. Knowing exactly what that sound was upon checking the truck out I made the dude an offer and I was off. You know what that sound is, I'm sure most of you on there are much smarter than I am but if you guessed the torque converter bolts you'd be right. So get it running and driving great and ac all fixed now I'm driving it for 6 months and boom, I sell my K5 which is going to fund this whole ordeal.

Now, on to the pics of the truck:
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My daughter approves
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So does the wife
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Various other photos of the truck the day I bought it
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Don't mind my messy garage. It's a whole ordeal to keep it clean enough to use. And that 5.3 In the back you see here is for a buddy's Regal we're doing a Turbo set up on.
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Now tossing around the idea of a LS, I was truly thinking 6.2 was the way I wanted to go, but just got so excited about the LT engines and their performance for price and couldn't resist. I also watched a couple YouTube videos on the differences between the LS and the LT and there's pretty much nothing the same on the two motors. But if I'm going to be doing a swap and seeking performance and fuel economy I might as well shoot for the stars.

Richard holdener has a great LT 5.3 dyno video up and it kinda sold me. So engine should be here in the next couple weeks. gotta order some brackets and what not to make it work, anyone have any tips or recommendations? I'm leaning toward PSI conversion for the harness and PCM TCM tuning and dirty dingo for motor mounts and all the bracket stuff. Holley oil pan, aeromotive fuel pump, blah blah blah.

I promise this build won't be as extravagant as the beautiful trucks I see on here so please don't get your hopes up but it will be successful and I do want it to look better than an average swap.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

That's a neat truck and quite clean. It appears that it came with some children, I hope you're prepared for that. It would be cool if you did a build thread, it would be fun to follow along. Don't worry that it's not as extravagant as some of the other builds. Down to earth is good too.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Yeah. Thanks. I'll be documenting this for sure. Made some progress today actually. Get it posted soon.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Decided to go ahead and tear a perfectly running truck apart today. No turning back now.


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Got to work cleaning the engine bay some. Really just got the driver's side so far.

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Here you can see the difference before and after just getting the dirt by the cowl area.

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Couple pics from cleaning up the passenger side
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On to the wiring. Should be ez enough. Get rid of all the computer stuff and just keep what I need. Really all I need to keep is the fuel pump relay, alternator stuff, starter wires, and ect sensor and oil sending unit.

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Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Well some parts showed up. No motor or tranny yet. It's held over in Ohio. Stupid snow. I don't think I'll be happy with all the bright aluminum stuff so I plan on painting everything before it goes on.

Here's the water pump

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It matches the dirty dingo mounts pretty well.

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yaaaay it came

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Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Started cleaning the trans some. Gotta take the pan apart so I can send it the tcm. Just a couple pics.

Little before and after of the side of the case

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Inside the pan.
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Let me point out real quick that the video on youtube showing how to remove your tcm from psi conversions listed the wrong bolt to remove. Small oversight but I've never done it before and it threw me through a loop. Just in case someone else watches the same video doing the same thing I did, here is their video and diagram and a corrected one I threw together.

https://youtu.be/rlH7EQ9pdok

Their diagram
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Corrected
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Carolina squat anybody?
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Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

That's nice work. A lot of good progress.

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Thanks. Slowly but surely.

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Sorry I'm doing all this from my phone and now the photos are huge....

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Bought the factory 16x1.5mm to an adapter and the 14x1.5mm an adapter to make it all an stuff.

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Tucked out of the way for now.

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How it's currently sitting. Waiting for psi to get it together. They told me it would be a two week turn around for a wiring harness and ecm tcm flash. It's been a month. I also had to send one of the dirty dingo brackets back as they missed a counter sink on one hole. They did send me a return label and got it back to me quite fast.

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I'm going to redo this last post now that I'm at a PC, if an admin could delete that last post, it hurts my mind.

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I wasn't happy with the way the Mount was working out for the transmission so I ordered one. For like $80 you can't beat it. It's from trans adapt.

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Coils and Coil Covers Installed
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Trans Cooler Installed
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Quickly tried to see if I liked the OEM air cleaner, and NO I DO NOT.
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How it looks right now, buttoning up a few more things. We're down to tightening bolts and lines and making sure everything is good. Fluids all added, TCM installed, Serpentine belt is on.
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Air cleaner looks great
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The fans I decided to go with fit absolutely perfect. It's a GM part number but here is the link on Amazon. Even if I was just doing an electric fan upgrade I would go this route.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Feel free to give some criticism or feed back.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Looking pretty dialed in. You're using some dark braided stainless lines and black connectors. Looks like they are working pretty well, do you like them? Who is the manufacturer?

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Hey Thanks! Yeah I just got it running the other day and have a couple odds and ends but will more than likely be driving it this weekend.

This is the link to the hose and AN kit I bought.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I am very impressed really. Surprisingly, all of the fittings are just finger tight but none of them have leaked yet. I still gotta go back and tighten them all up.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Thanks for the info, and tell us about the first drive!

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I will for sure. Got a couple things to button up. In all the excitement of trying to get it put back together I messed up one of my U-joints so I moved on to doing some wiring. Gotta pick up another U-Joint tonight then driveshaft will be in. Surprisingly the 1350 32 spline yoke I ordered is going to work perfectly and I didn't even need a conversion joint.

Here's a couple vids:

Just the engine running
https://youtu.be/1InSVnPupOk

Quick little overview of where I was the other night. I've gotten a little more done since then.
https://youtu.be/nPSQa8HvGTk

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Well, I have a bit of upsetting news. Fully ready to drive the vehicle yesterday I took my time to make sure trans fluid was topped off (which I think it was slightly overfilled as it never actually went down after initial 5 or 6 quarts) and trans shifter linkage was working perfectly before giving it a go and what do you know, no dice.

No movement, no noise, no clunk, no engagement, nothing. Now I know when you remove and install the TCM you have to carefully align the PRNDL switch and valve rod with the shift linkage. Fully confused I took it apart double checking everything to ensure I didn't mess anything up. I have had it correct every time I've removed the TCM which is 3 times now to ensure it wasn't something I was doing wrong, I know it had nothing to do with the Torque converter install as I never removed the torque converter and it was fully seated before I bolted trans back to engine and spun freely.

Long story short, the pump isn't working for whatever reason. Fill up fluid, run through gears and nothing. Fluid doesn't go down, nothing happens.

Talked to the place that sold me the engine and trans and they are going to work with me once I have a proper diagnosis from a transmission shop to get a replacement and or reimbursement.

Just sucks because I was totally driving this thing yesterday in my mind. Looks like we're going to be another few weeks away. Cars and Coffee was this Saturday too, better luck next time I guess.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

What happened to the old engine and trans?

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Am I seeing heater hose going between the valve covers as breathers?

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

The old engine and trans is sitting in my garage waiting to be transplanted in to an unsuspecting project. Not sure what that is yet.

And they run to the air intake, not to each other, just had them out of the way while I was doing something else.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Oh man, that's a huge let down. I would have been champing at the bit, just like you were. Good diagnosis work though. And smart of you to prep the sellers that there is an issue that will need to be addressed. I hope you can make it all work out to the good.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Okay, so I should go ahead and update this post. It's been 3 months, I did in fact need a transmission. It went to the transmission shop and I purchased and had them install a remanned 6L80 with a 3 year warranty.

First transmission failed on the dyno before getting delivered, the second one seemed good. After getting the transmission installed they had no reverse gear. (at this point I'm super glad I took it to a trans shop and did not do it myself, I'd be so mad if I had to do the transmission twice!) So, take 2 they had to get another one and get it installed and this time it worked.

Long story short I finally got the transmission in and drove it around a very short while when I was working on getting exhaust put on it. There was a few issues I wasn't happy with.

Apparently the motor mounts were bad, they seemed good but the 454 was just so heavy that it didn't let it shift or move ever. Add to that, the L83 is now so light that it sits about an inch high in the front and that's even with SBC springs instead of the big block springs so it looks like I'll be cutting the springs soon.

Other than that, I got the exhaust made up (did it myself), and took me a while but I got the AC hoses all made up (bought the tool to do those myself too). So to recap we have all gauges working (except the speedo) and ac, everything else working correctly, no more sloppy engine mounts and I start finally driving it quite a bit.

Fast forward to a couple hotter weeks this year in NC and I notice it's not playing nice. The engine stays exactly 206* no matter what, the fans work great, however the hot engine bay temps were cutting power quite significantly by retarding timing ALOT.

So I do what any good person would and I went ahead and bought HPTUNERS and I gotta tell you, I love it! Digging into the tune I could tell it was way conservative on timing and running way too rich so I made a few adjustments and I'm finally to the point where I feel great about driving it all the time.

I'll work on getting some updated photos and stuff soon.

Re: 1989 Suburban 2500 Full L83 6L80 build
 

Also I should note that with this configuration, even when the timing seemed crappy the ECM was reporting I was getting about 20 mpg. usually more, but right around 20. That is something I didn't expect and maybe the computer is off just a little bit but even so I'm happy it's not the 12 I was used to with the big block.