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Gregski 01-27-2015 01:09 AM

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again nothing to write home about but for now it will do (the plan is to come into some aluminuminum heads come fall - complements of the Curse Jar, hee hee)

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:15 AM

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figure one more point of view of this gutter since it's not like we can admire it none once it's all sealed up

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:18 AM

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ok this is what we are working for, out with the old and in with the new

(the old manifold being the one on the left, LOL)

68post 01-27-2015 01:21 AM

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You did an excellent job of crud removal !! That wasn't easy I know. Kudos

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:31 AM

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I want to point out something to you that I learned

the new aluminum intake manifold is thinner than the old one, at the pint where the bolts go one is 1/16 of an inch thicker if not a bit more

also I am not planning on putting on the bracket back on so I noticed that those bolts were an inch and a quarter and the other ones were inch and an eighth

also some of the bolts don't screw all the way in

the two that surprised me were the bolt above the #4 exhaust port (third bolt in the passenger side head) it interferes with the exhaust push rod

and the bolt above the #5 intake port (fourth bolt in the driver side head) it inteferes with the intake push rod

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:33 AM

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now maybe with the gasket and a prayer these components would never meet, but that was a chance I was not willing to take, so I picked up some shorter 3/8th grade 5 bolts, only one inch long and some washers to remedy this situation, I used these in these two places plus on all the outer corners as those bolts bottom out (blind I guess it is called)

68post 01-27-2015 01:35 AM

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Excellent info , and something to watch for doing swaps !

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:39 AM

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so first a dry fit, just to see if the holes align and what the gaps are like

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:46 AM

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at this point it was getting late, I was cold and hungry, but there was no way I was going to stop here

so we will be using another FelPro gasket (but not all the pieces just the blue sides, per Weiands instructions we are NOT to use the middle pieces)

I could not find any gasket adhesive maybe I was looking for the wrong stuff, I imagined it would be in an aerosole spray can, anyway I needed some stick-to-it-avness so I just gently coated the heads with RTV silicone

then I ran a 1/4 inch beed of RTV down the middle as per the instructions

I used carb cleaner to clean all the grease off of all the maiting surfaces (AutoZone was all sold out of Brake cleaner, can you believe that that's like an Irish bar running out of booze)

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:50 AM

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torqued all 12 bolts in the super special sequence using a torque wrench first to 10 ft lfbs then to 15 and finally to 25 ft lbs

only one bolt gave me trouble to torque to spec that pesky third bolt from the front on the passenger side, the intake stack is perfectly in the way on that side, it seems to be set more to that side than the driver's side, oh well I eye balled it in the end

and the money shot

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:56 AM

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at this point I hit a Mechanics High, I had to keep going I had to see the carb on there tonight...

so first the studs went in...

then the split down the middle carb base gasket...

then the crown jewel... the Holley Carburetor

Gregski 01-27-2015 01:58 AM

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still far from being done with this phase, got to put the dizzy back, connect the vacuum hoses, thermostat, coolant hoses, throttle linkage, even a bit of electrical to do ~ but it's so rewarding at this point!

Gregski 01-27-2015 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 68post (Post 7021310)
You did an excellent job of crud removal !! That wasn't easy I know. Kudos

thank you, found myself climbing into the engine bay and squatting under the hood, being 6' tall has its perks but this wasn't one of them

I literally chisled the cross/bypass ports in the cylinder heads (what I call the EGR ports) open, they were completely welded shut with carbon deposits, or what I can only imagine is carbon

Gregski 01-27-2015 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 68post (Post 7021328)
Excellent info , and something to watch for doing swaps !

Yeah you won't get that on Car Fix as they do an LS swap in 30 minutes, with no problems or issues, everything just bolts right up!

y5mgisi 01-27-2015 04:41 AM

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Awesome! While I am partial to the old quadrajets for daily driver rides, that carb does look quite at home up there.

motornut 01-27-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7021358)
at this point I hit a Mechanics High, I had to keep going I had to see the carb on there tonight...

so first the studs went in...

then the split down the middle carb base gasket...

then the crown jewel... the Holley Carburetor

Looks great up there

68Timber 01-27-2015 10:48 AM

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Nice work! Am I the only one that still geeks a little when the shiny new parts are bolted on but intake gasket peeks out in the middle like its giving you the finger?

LSX408 01-27-2015 11:26 AM

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Looks good!

bnoon 01-27-2015 12:08 PM

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I need to hire you to clean my stuff. If I ever get rich like Jay Leno, you have a job cleaning my rides!!! Purdy parts don't make it run any better, but they sure are nice to look at. :lol:

Gregski 01-27-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BRUISER (Post 7021611)
Nice work! Am I the only one that still geeks a little when the shiny new parts are bolted on but intake gasket peeks out in the middle like its giving you the finger?

Yes the new manifold is narrower in the mid section, so the blue gasket does peak out and it bugs me to no end, I may not have gotten the gasket that Weiand recommends, but then again AutoZone may not have had that one in stock anyway, maybe I will get the right one when I swap the heads

Gregski 01-27-2015 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LSX408 (Post 7021648)
Looks good!

Thank you

Gregski 01-27-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bnoon (Post 7021699)
I need to hire you to clean my stuff. If I ever get rich like Jay Leno, you have a job cleaning my rides!!! Purdy parts don't make it run any better, but they sure are nice to look at. :lol:

Thank you very much I take that as a complement, but no way, LOL I don't like cleaning trust me, the end result I do appreciate but not the doing it part

rusty76 01-27-2015 06:02 PM

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Awesome work!

68Timber 01-27-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7022055)
Yes the new manifold is narrower in the mid section, so the blue gasket does peak out and it bugs me to no end, I may not have gotten the gasket that Weiand recommends, but then again AutoZone may not have had that one in stock anyway, maybe I will get the right one when I swap the heads

I didn't mean it was your fault. I've got one to paint and mount, with the same gaskets. I'm sure it'll do the same thing.

y5mgisi 01-27-2015 07:57 PM

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Maybe you could just trim it up with some careful razor blade action.

Gregski 01-28-2015 01:45 AM

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I didn't mean it was your fault.

No worries mate I didn't take it like that at all, I knew what you meant

Gregski 01-28-2015 01:46 AM

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Maybe you could just trim it up with some careful razor blade action.

Thought has crossed my mind but then I thought what if the edges of that design have some special powers and hold it all together, so I best not

Gregski 01-28-2015 01:57 AM

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ah... nothing like coming home to find more new parts waiting on you, thank you Mr. Summit - talk about instant motivation

wanted to share their packaging with you cause it reminds me of when we were young and would buy a pair of earrings for the ol' lady and put the jewelry box in a shoe box and the shoe box in a bigger box, know what I mean

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:06 AM

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so this is proving to be a journey of many steps, goes to show this is no 30 minute swap

I started out by cleaning the old heater hose inlet tube fitting only to punt and buy a shinny new one cause the old one was too pitted

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:10 AM

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then I plugged a few holes with the provided pipe plugs, I recon these were for some type of sensors

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:14 AM

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remember a while back when I went a bit crazy and deleted all the Emission Control Systems, but I left the second water temp sensor in, well it just so happened that the new intake manifold came with a pipe plug just the perfect size to delete that sensor and since I already drained the coolant and wasn't planning on draining it again anytime in the near future I decided now was a good time as any to get rid of it

I am one of them people that I can't just say eh leave it in it's not plugged in it's not doing anything, it doesn't leak, just leave it ~ no not me, it bugs me I don't want it there if it's not doing anything, know what I mean

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:25 AM

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remember months ago when one of the first things I did was clean and paint the orange valve covers black, well one of the things I did back then was special order some Mr. Gasket black rubber gaskets, cause I did not want those cheap cork ones, no, not me, I was Too Cool For School

Well guess what?

They leaked like a sieve!

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:29 AM

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well I'm not too proud to admit it that this was not the first time I was bitten by Form Over Function

now I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with the Mr Gasket gaskets, I think they just don't fit my valve covers properly that's all, they may fit other types very well

So I swallowed my pride and bought the cheapie dime a dozen trusty cork gaskets (probably for a third of the cost) and oh my God they fit perfectly, amazing and snug

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:34 AM

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Now riddle me this. Why on God's green earth do we wipe down the old bits like these gaskets and hang them up on our garage walls for later use?

Will there be a day when we say, hmm the truck is running awesome but those exhaust manifolds are running a bit dry, and I've got just the fix for that, I need some leaking valve cover gaskets and I know just the place where I hung them up!

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:40 AM

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at some point I dropped the distributor back in and wired the leads

1 - 8 - 4 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 7 - 2

... I hope

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:43 AM

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plummed the PCV to the carburetor (temporarily at least not too fond of that 10 foot hose, LOL) wish the carb nipples were not angled the opposite direction, hey the joys of after market parts

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:54 AM

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cleaned and plumbed the heater hoses, tried to take them off the heater but didn't want to sacrifice them by splitting the ends length wise with a cutting blade to get them off the heater and I didn't want to snap the fittings not knowing if they are metal or plastic or how fragile

now that I look closely I see that I missed a spot on one of the hoses to the right end, man that is going to bug me tonight, I'll touch it up tomorrow, LOL

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:55 AM

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I try to stay organized, I even bag and tag the extra bits

Gregski 01-28-2015 02:58 AM

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found the numbers on the block

Gregski 01-28-2015 03:04 AM

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ok, I got some issues / questions

First, the Evap 1/4 inch hose that runs from the charcoal canister to the nipple on the base of the carb is too big. In other words the nipple on the carb is smaller than 1/4 inch, what should I do?


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