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RodsGreen10 07-30-2016 09:04 PM

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RodsGreen10 07-30-2016 09:04 PM

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If you don't want drone scrap those junk ass blowmasters. And buy some real mufflers.

Gregski 07-30-2016 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RodsGreen10 (Post 7669405)
If you do t want drone scrap those junk ass blowmasters.

Trust me I am at the end of my rope with them, what do you recommend? I like deep rumble sound

RodsGreen10 07-30-2016 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7669410)
Trust me I am at the end of my rope with them, what do you recommend? I like deep rumble sound

Borla. I run the Borla XR1 race mufflers. I have a bunch of videos on YouTube with sound clips idle driving. I am a Borla fan. I run the longer version has a deeper sound.

rusty76 07-30-2016 09:16 PM

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I've had glass packs on my truck for eons and honestly they've never droned on me. The only thing I see I would do different on yours is to point the tips (ends of exhaust) toward each other slightly. Like twenty degrees or something. It helps cancel the sound waves. It's the way mine were done. They stop right before the axle. I'll be redoing my exhaust for sure but however what I had worked great and sounded awesome.

Wide Open 07-30-2016 09:17 PM

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Resonators on the late model stuff is after the muffler very near the exhaust tip. Wonder if that would take care of it?
Maybe also try some turn outs?

Gregski 07-30-2016 10:25 PM

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so added the new Summit digital Volt Meter gauge in the upper left

hope to add the digital fuel gauge next month to complete the Quartet

baby steps folks, baby steps

Gregski 07-30-2016 10:28 PM

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and shoved the new Air Fuel Ratio AFR Gauge in the upper right, this is a temporary placement until I get the Vacuum gauge (that's what the second hole is for - forward thinking folks) and then will make it look more better, but still in the same general location

bhc41051 07-30-2016 11:19 PM

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I hear John Deere corn head grease is good for steering boxes. I'm pretty sure power steering and air conditioning are aimed at the "pantie-waist mama's boys" market :chevy:.

SkinnyG 07-31-2016 01:18 AM

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1. You don't fully own a project until you've bled on it.

2. You know you are a man when you look down, see blood all over the place, and your first thought is "geez I sure hope that's not mine."

3. I have Dynomax Super Turbo 17748 mufflers on mine, because I'm not 16 anymore, and I can't stand drone. I'd probably get a shorter body muffler though - these are almost too quiet.

Gregski 07-31-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyG (Post 7669551)
... I have Dynomax Super Turbo 17748 mufflers on mine, because I'm not 16 anymore...

best come back ever!

Gregski 07-31-2016 04:22 PM

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so got the oil pressure installed, not sure why it's reading 5 PSI with the truck off but 61 PSI with it warming up sounds good

also got a volt meter wired up, 12.4 volts with the key in the auxilary position, and 14.1 ish with the truck running

man this iPhone camera just can't grasp the concept of focus when it comes to shooting these there green digital read outs

Gregski 07-31-2016 04:45 PM

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got the oxygen sensors installed and the new AFR Air Fuel Ratio DLG-1 dual gauge calibrated

more details can be found in the thread below:

INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio etc

Speed2acer 08-01-2016 07:34 AM

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Great timeline posts. I'm just starting a 78 Cheyenne stepside resto and your info has helped greatly. Thanks for such a detailed post!:c2:

Chrispbrown36 08-01-2016 02:58 PM

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It had been a while since I had read through your build, so I decided it was time.
Man I am jealous of the pick and pulls you have in your area. We were down in Nashville a couple of weeks ago (2 and a half hours away) and there were three and I thought I had found heaven. Ended up between the three there was one....that's right one.....square body on their lots. There was an 84 that was but a shell. Locally, one pick and pull and no squares...in fact nothing under the early 90's....at least truck wise. The local junk yards want an arm and a leg for everything. I live in a wasteland of square parts.

68Timber 08-01-2016 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7670931)
It had been a while since I had read through your build, so I decided it was time.
Man I am jealous of the pick and pulls you have in your area. We were down in Nashville a couple of weeks ago (2 and a half hours away) and there were three and I thought I had found heaven. Ended up between the three there was one....that's right one.....square body on their lots. There was an 84 that was but a shell. Locally, one pick and pull and no squares...in fact nothing under the early 90's....at least truck wise. The local junk yards want an arm and a leg for everything. I live in a wasteland of square parts.

They've dried up here as well. I used to go to the pick and pull just to walk the yard and browse but for the last year or so there hasn't been a square on the yard period.

Chrispbrown36 08-01-2016 03:20 PM

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There are two squares (one sitting in my neighbors garage and one sitting in a pole barn up the road) that haven't moved in at least 5 years (that's how long we have been here). The neighbor that has the one in her garage....well she and I aren't exactly best friends or I already would have talked to her. The one in the pole barn...I have stopped multiple times and can never catch anyone at the house. I am hoping eventually I will catch someone and be able to get a new parts truck or a new project. Otherwise I am going to have to travel to hit up pick and pulls.

Gregski 08-01-2016 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed2acer (Post 7670610)
Great timeline posts. I'm just starting a 78 Cheyenne stepside resto and your info has helped greatly. Thanks for such a detailed post!:c2:

thank you for the kind words, please document your build and take pictures, if for nothing else to sit back one day in your rocking chair with your granddaughter on your lap and look at them and go damn I did that?

Gregski 08-01-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7670931)
It had been a while since I had read through your build, so I decided it was time.
Man I am jealous of the pick and pulls you have in your area. We were down in Nashville a couple of weeks ago (2 and a half hours away) and there were three and I thought I had found heaven. Ended up between the three there was one....that's right one.....square body on their lots. There was an 84 that was but a shell. Locally, one pick and pull and no squares...in fact nothing under the early 90's....at least truck wise. The local junk yards want an arm and a leg for everything. I live in a wasteland of square parts.

Bro, things have changed fast, now I go to the four local yards and every once in a while there aint even one Squarebody to pull parts off of, for real even here in sunny Northern California

Gregski 08-01-2016 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 68Timber (Post 7670943)
They've dried up here as well. I used to go to the pick and pull just to walk the yard and browse but for the last year or so there hasn't been a square on the yard period.

ditto, things are disappearing is Sacramento California yards as well, trucks be gettin' famous, time to start building Crown Vics, ha ha

Gregski 08-01-2016 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7670957)
...The neighbor that has the one in her garage....well she and I aren't exactly best friends or I already would have talked to her...

Two Words: Say it with Flowers!!!

seriously man no woman will say no to flowers, show up looking semi clean, buy some flowers, say excuse me ma'am I was no where in the neighborhood and decided to stop by, would you mind if I was to admire that truck of yours... and thats that, no offers, no pressure no ctiticism, this is just a Hello there neighboor visit, that's a nice truck ma'am, thank you for letting me look at it, have a nice day

you're welcome, ha ha

Chrispbrown36 08-01-2016 07:26 PM

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Or I could just flag her down one of the times she drives by our house at 2 miles per hour watching to see what we are doing so she can call our landlord....ya she is one of those...

Will206 08-03-2016 02:18 PM

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I hadn't looked in a while, had to come back and catch up on 10 pages. Looking great, as always Greg.

A couple of things...

I am in a similar situation on mufflers. I got pretty cheap welded Thrush mufflers. Previously this motor had stamped, bottom barrel turbo mufflers and it sounded pretty good, I can't see how this won't be an upgrade, but I too am a little concerned with drone, especially with long tube headers.

Also, I might just go have them welded, I am not convinced me or my harbor freight welder are up to the task.

I also have the same package from Innovate. I just wanted to be able to fine tune this thing ensure optimum A/F, I say good call.

I also have a related gauge package. I have elected to delete all the factory gauges and put together a $200 kit from Intellitronix, which gives me all digital gauges. They look very similar.

Here's a quick video of its first idle:

https://youtu.be/AKEP61owQ7M

Will206 08-03-2016 02:23 PM

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Here's a youtube video of someone with the Intellitronix gauge set I have in a square:
(Mine are blue though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj12ez_KXHk

Gregski 08-03-2016 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Will206 (Post 7673012)
I hadn't looked in a while, had to come back and catch up on 10 pages. Looking great, as always Greg.

Thank you so much, glad you swung back by Will

A couple of things...

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Also, I might just go have them welded, I am not convinced me or my harbor freight welder are up to the task.

LOL, aint that the truth, having graduated from the College of Cheap Harbor Freight Tool Knowledge myself, I have this bit of wizdom to offer

first I hope you have their MIG or at least Flux Core / MIG combo machine and not just their Flux Core unit, (don't know what you got, ok, are you using a gas tank with your box or no tank? no tank means Flux Core)

so one thing that really transformed my HF MIG machine was tossing their cheap spool of wire that it came with and right away going to Home Depot and buying a spool of Lincoln name brand .030 wire, if I was to do it again I would got even thinner wire like the Lincoln .025 to ensure I would weld and not burn holes in the exhaust

then it is just a matter of figuring out your box settings, and honestly you play more with the heat knob ie amps than the wire speed, you set the wire speed to a low setting like a 2 and then just mess with the heat knob until the wire actually penetrates the metal and you can't tap the weld bead off with a hammer, if you can take a hammer and knock the bead off than the wire feed is too cold and you need to up the heat, also if it is popping it is too cold and the wire is bouncing off the metal, tap tap tap instead of melting into it

see what you have made me do, you made me get up on my welding soap box, sorry, hope that helps though

P.S. also an auto darkening welding helmet is a must especially for beginners the nod your head to make the old style helmets fall over your face was cool in the 50's ha ha

Will206 08-03-2016 04:54 PM

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I have the non-gas Flux core model, some thing I have done:

- Converted it over to DC with some big caps and a bridge rectifier. (Tutorials for this are everywhere)
- Upgraded the wire to Hobart .030
- I do have an auto darkening helmet

I'm getting better at not burning holes in stuff, the thinner wire might help. It still splatters a lot. Its only power settings are high/low. I'm usually running it on high.

Will206 08-03-2016 04:59 PM

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hatzie 08-03-2016 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7673029)
Thank you so much, glad you swung back by Will

A couple of things...



LOL, aint that the truth, having graduated from the College of Cheap Harbor Freight Tool Knowledge myself, I have this bit of wizdom to offer

first I hope you have their MIG or at least Flux Core / MIG combo machine and not just their Flux Core unit, (don't know what you got, ok, are you using a gas tank with your box or no tank? no tank means Flux Core)

so one thing that really transformed my HF MIG machine was tossing their cheap spool of wire that it came with and right away going to Home Depot and buying a spool of Lincoln name brand .030 wire, if I was to do it again I would got even thinner wire like the Lincoln .025 to ensure I would weld and not burn holes in the exhaust

then it is just a matter of figuring out your box settings, and honestly you play more with the heat knob ie amps than the wire speed, you set the wire speed to a low setting like a 2 and then just mess with the heat knob until the wire actually penetrates the metal and you can't tap the weld bead off with a hammer, if you can take a hammer and knock the bead off than the wire feed is too cold and you need to up the heat, also if it is popping it is too cold and the wire is bouncing off the metal, tap tap tap instead of melting into it

see what you have made me do, you made me get up on my welding soap box, sorry, hope that helps though

P.S. also an auto darkening welding helmet is a must especially for beginners the nod your head to make the old style helmets fall over your face was cool in the 50's ha ha

I resemble that 1950's comment... I still have two Huntsman 400 Fiber helmets with #10 & #12 shields. One is modified with a dowel handle & no headband and one with a good headband that I nod my head to drop down. They're still pretty decent very light helmets and I never get flashed. I mostly use em for stick and TIG.

I have a 2 year old Lincoln Viking and a new Jackson BH3. They are both noticeably heavier than my old fiber helmet and you can get flashed if you don't set them right. They are also easier to use with the MIG for sheet metal work.

Gregski 08-03-2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Will206 (Post 7673132)
I have the non-gas Flux core model, some thing I have done:

- Converted it over to DC with some big caps and a bridge rectifier. (Tutorials for this are everywhere)
- Upgraded the wire to Hobart .030
- I do have an auto darkening helmet

I'm getting better at not burning holes in stuff, the thinner wire might help. It still splatters a lot. Its only power settings are high/low. I'm usually running it on high.

use caution you can not use the MIG .025" wire spool on a Flux Core machine Flux core is a special type of shielded wire the shield on it is in place of the gas

I think there is some kind of spray you can get (look into it) to spray your piece before you weld it to make sure the splatter don't stick, I had a lot of splatter with my Harbor Freight Flux Core machine, little bits a bit bigger than pieces of crushed pepper all over the place, they would come off easy with a wire wheel or a grinder but still it meant an extra step

Gregski 08-03-2016 06:17 PM

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so with the Air Fuel Ratio adjusted to be way better way leaner into the high 13s range rather than the 10.6 range I started with, the truck is running great, idles around 550 RPM nice little rumble, not perfect yet, but better

I drove it in to work today, ran great, even the fuel gauge decided to work

Chrispbrown36 08-03-2016 08:13 PM

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I love how clean the new gauges look...mine aren't bad but not nearly as shiny. I am having some issues with high idle and have been told to get a wideband to get it figured out....I just can't afford to drop the cash...there has got to be a better (cheaper) way!
Flux core will always splatter.

Gregski 08-03-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7673260)
I love how clean the new gauges look...mine aren't bad but not nearly as shiny.

Thank you, I now kinda wish I went with white digits to match the dual AFR gauge, ha ha

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7673260)
I am having some issues with high idle and have been told to get a wideband to get it figured out....I just can't afford to drop the cash...there has got to be a better (cheaper) way!

there is, bench tune your carb, look at my detailed thread here how I did it, very simple, no gauges needed

INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio etc starting at thread #42 (also not in the thread but my initial timing is set to 10)

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7673260)
Flux core will always splatter.

True

Chrispbrown36 08-03-2016 08:52 PM

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Mine is a TBI, so there isn't much I can tune without changing out chips (as far as I know). I really have been thinking about changing over to a carb...a computer seemed like a great idea now I am beginning to hate it...

Gregski 08-03-2016 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7673290)
Mine is a TBI, so there isn't much I can tune without changing out chips (as far as I know). I really have been thinking about changing over to a carb...a computer seemed like a great idea now I am beginning to hate it...

TBI, what you got? is it that 1987 Chevy 4x4 350 auto? is it stock chip or chipped? I thought the whole point of an ECU or an ECM what ever you call the car computer black box is to do all this work for you, I mean what's the point otherwise

so if it is wigging out, it only does what it is being told, what I mean by that computer has it's field soldiers, the sensors, and they tell it what to do, the first thing I would do is replace your Oxygen sensor(s) with quality OEM spec ones what ever the engine you have came out of or is, then reset the error codes if any and drive around

the next thing to replace is the MAF Mass Air Flow meter sensor thingie, check the error codes and drive around

the next one after that could be the throttle position sensor

Will206 08-03-2016 10:31 PM

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High idle on a TBI? Check the base gasket as well as for slop in the throttle.

Chrispbrown36 08-03-2016 11:16 PM

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87 4wd with a 350 TBI and 700R4 tranny. The motor is not the original according to the guy I bought it from but he didn't say what it came out of, how many miles on it, or anything else that might have been useful. I was too blinded by the beauty of the truck to think at the time....let's call it truck goggles.
The O2 sensor is about a year old and I believe it is a house brand from somewhere. I have been trying to stick with AC Delco on everything, but that one I slipped up on. That will probably be remedied soon.
The TPS, idle air control valve, and map sensor are all new (past year to six months) and AC Delco.
Not getting any vacuum leaks at the throttle body base. The EGR was leaking on me but has been replaced....but I went with an off brand locally instead of waiting on an AC Delco to be delivered. I do have a vacuum leak toward the back of the intake manifold, so I am going to redo the intake gaskets in the next couple of weeks.
No slop in the bushings either that I can tell.
.....So the love affair with the truck goes on but the engine and I are barely on speaking terms!

Gregski 08-04-2016 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7673448)
87 4wd with a 350 TBI and 700R4 tranny. The motor is not the original according to the guy I bought it from but he didn't say what it came out of, how many miles on it, or anything else that might have been useful. I was too blinded by the beauty of the truck to think at the time....let's call it truck goggles.
The O2 sensor is about a year old and I believe it is a house brand from somewhere. I have been trying to stick with AC Delco on everything, but that one I slipped up on. That will probably be remedied soon.
The TPS, idle air control valve, and map sensor are all new (past year to six months) and AC Delco.
Not getting any vacuum leaks at the throttle body base. The EGR was leaking on me but has been replaced....but I went with an off brand locally instead of waiting on an AC Delco to be delivered. I do have a vacuum leak toward the back of the intake manifold, so I am going to redo the intake gaskets in the next couple of weeks.
No slop in the bushings either that I can tell.
.....So the love affair with the truck goes on but the engine and I are barely on speaking terms!

funny feedback but sad story, wish you had a happy engine, well Chris thank you for reminding me why I finally got rid of my 97 Tahoe and rewound back to 1974 technology, the grass is truely greener I love the simplicity of my truck not to mention the space in the engine compartment

Chrispbrown36 08-04-2016 09:30 AM

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Way to rub it in man! ha ha
Now....what have you done on Rusty lately....don't leave us hanging here!

Gregski 08-04-2016 03:59 PM

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Just a Truck doin' Truck Things!

hatzie 08-04-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrispbrown36 (Post 7673448)
87 4wd with a 350 TBI and 700R4 tranny. The motor is not the original according to the guy I bought it from but he didn't say what it came out of, how many miles on it, or anything else that might have been useful. I was too blinded by the beauty of the truck to think at the time....let's call it truck goggles.
The O2 sensor is about a year old and I believe it is a house brand from somewhere. I have been trying to stick with AC Delco on everything, but that one I slipped up on. That will probably be remedied soon.
The TPS, idle air control valve, and map sensor are all new (past year to six months) and AC Delco.
Not getting any vacuum leaks at the throttle body base. The EGR was leaking on me but has been replaced....but I went with an off brand locally instead of waiting on an AC Delco to be delivered. I do have a vacuum leak toward the back of the intake manifold, so I am going to redo the intake gaskets in the next couple of weeks.
No slop in the bushings either that I can tell.
.....So the love affair with the truck goes on but the engine and I are barely on speaking terms!

If you can read the block casting number and stamped engine codes on the RH block pad you have a shot at figuring out what the engine was when it left the factory. The early TBI systems needed to be programmed to match mods like cams etc. but you should be able to get away with slight changes.
If you can find out what CAM, heads, and pistons you have you can probably find a tuned EEPROM image for that setup.

You want to keep the TBI setup or move to MPFI if you can. Carbs are easier but don't extract the power that a properly setup EFI system can. Stock 1987 the L05 TBI 350 had 35 HP and 25 ft-lb on the Stock Carbureted 1986 LS9 350. The 1987 L03 TBI 305 had 10HP and 25ft-lb on the Carbureted 1986 LE9 305. The TBI system did this with better fuel mileage and without blowing out huge amounts of garbage from the tailpipe.


USB ALDL interface cables are not expensive... $55 at most and you can build your own for less. Used enterprise class XP laptops are right around $100. WinALDL and TunerProRT are not difficult to use and are either free or donationware.
You start running into real money when you get an emulator like the Ostrich and start building your own custom programs. http://support.moates.net/gm-86-95-obd1-guide-read-me/


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