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rharris 10-23-2020 07:09 PM

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This garage is long overdue, but it is finally on its way. I really liked the steel frame that Jimmy built, but I wasn't confident enough that I had the time or the patience to construct it. This will be a 40x60x12.5 and the plan is to have it spray foam insulated. These pictures are from Day 1 (except the excavating, that was July). The boys saw them pulling in and begged me to let them stay home from school and watch. I figured they might learn some worthwhile skills by watching the Amish, rather than sitting in class wearing a face mask with a plexiglass cage around their desk and playing by themselves at recess. That's just me venting a little, i know teachers are important people in children's lives. It's the current conditions we are living in that frustrate me. Enough of that, on to the pictures. You can't see much from the side view, i just added that since the sunset was nice tonight. Crazy weather here in PA. Usually at this time I'm doing all i can to not turn the heat on until November 1st, but yesterday i put the AC on - 80 degrees and humid like it's August. Oh, and the kids also found the missing guinea - she came back with 15 keats.

Jimmy's Garage Link - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801075

rharris 10-23-2020 07:16 PM

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There is a 10' lean-to on the left side. I can already notice that i should have made that 16'. There are going to be four 10' wide doors across the front, evenly spaced. I opted for no glass in the overhead doors. I figured it could be a problem when i didn't want the sun glaring in. However, i do like the idea of being able to look out the front, which faces my driveway which is 460'. I was considering a man door between overhead door #2 and #3. Thoughts on this? Probably wouldn't look the best, but for functionality i think it would be nice. The other man door will be on the left side towards the front.

PGSigns 10-25-2020 08:34 PM

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Good to see a shop going up at your place. I have been using the door under the lean to to go in and out. I think you will be fine with the door in the front. What are your plans for the ceiling? Finished and painted white will brighten up the inside a lot.
Jimmy

rharris 10-25-2020 09:16 PM

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Most likely the ceiling and interior walls will be white metal. Still have to figure out the lighting and plumbing. Iíll need a sewage ejector pump to tie into the house.

PGSigns 10-26-2020 09:11 AM

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Having a bathroom would be nice. These are the lights I am looking at to ad to my shop.
https://www.amazon.com/Fixture-Integ...dDbGljaz10cnVl
Jimmy

Redneck Rydes 10-26-2020 01:19 PM

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Having a bathroom would be nice. These are the lights I am looking at to ad to my shop.
https://www.amazon.com/Fixture-Integ...dDbGljaz10cnVl
Jimmy

I just put 4 of them in my 24x30 shop fantastic lights,nice and bright,easy to install and link up,they only want you to hook up 3 in a row only,

67C10Step 10-27-2020 05:41 PM

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Fantastic. I put LED's in my 30x40 when I put it up years ago. They are so much better now I am considering adding in a few of the newer ones to brighten it up. It's pretty good but not as bright as I would like in a few spots.

rharris 10-28-2020 09:44 AM

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hooperca 10-29-2020 05:09 AM

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I also put those lights in my garage and boathouse. As some of the reviewers noted, their mounts are nothing to brag about but I just put some tie wraps around them. The lights themselves are amazing. Been running them about 2 years now. No issues

PGSigns 10-29-2020 08:01 PM

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Really looking good.
Jimmy

rharris 10-30-2020 08:33 PM

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Bud's impressed with the stones. Hope he likes the concrete.

Redneck Rydes 10-30-2020 10:57 PM

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Great back scratching material

rharris 11-04-2020 05:48 PM

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The plumbing and electric is laid from the house to the garage.

Rickysnickers 11-04-2020 07:44 PM

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Curious, it looks like you live in the country. Am I right to assume you have a septic system? If so, how difficult was it for the contractor to tap into it? If you don't have a septic system then disregard this question. Thanks.

Dead Parrot 11-04-2020 09:34 PM

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Given any thoughts to pulling a Cat5e or fiber cable to provide Internet network connection between house and shop? I know a lot of folks use phones for primary Internet but a cable would allow shop security cameras to save images to a drive in the house.

rharris 11-05-2020 07:36 AM

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Curious, it looks like you live in the country. Am I right to assume you have a septic system? If so, how difficult was it for the contractor to tap into it? If you don't have a septic system then disregard this question. Thanks.

I did the plumbing with some help of a buddy. I have a sand mound that is gravity fed from the opposite side of my house. I could not gravity feed from the garage to the house to tie into the system so i had to install a sewage ejector pump. This is the garbage can looking thing that is buried. It has a 4" inlet in the side of it, which is underground. The toilet and all drains tie into this. Once the tank fills and operates the float, the pump turns on and pumps into where i will tie it into my house system and then it will gravity drain like the house is designed. This is an ejector pump, not a grinder pump. it is important to use the correct one. If you have a city sewer, then a grinder pump is fine. If you have a sandmound, you want to use the ejector pump. The grinder pump will basically puree the waste before pumping it. Then your holding tanks that separate your solids and liquid will not be able to hold what used to be solid and you will pass on the solids to your sand, ruining the bed in time. With all that being said, it wasn't hard. I have a 1 1/4" pvc pipe that i am going to pull a 1/2" pex line in for the water supply and a 2” return waste line.

rharris 11-05-2020 07:39 AM

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Given any thoughts to pulling a Cat5e or fiber cable to provide Internet network connection between house and shop? I know a lot of folks use phones for primary Internet but a cable would allow shop security cameras to save images to a drive in the house.

I have 1 1/4" pipe that is for cat5 and coax, as well as a sewer, water, electric, and a spare. Easy to run more conduit when the ditch is open so i made sure i threw a spare in there. The garage doors will be wifi compatible so i plan on putting a router out there.

PGSigns 11-09-2020 09:00 AM

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Got the lights for my shop and they work really good. Go three up on the wall about 9 feet up to get rid of the shadows and provide light from other than straight down. For the price they are hard to beat. How much have yo got done?
Jimmy

rharris 11-10-2020 10:32 AM

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Concrete went in yesterday. Do you feel those lights would be sufficient at 12’ height?

PGSigns 11-12-2020 11:07 PM

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I'll post some pictures. With my high ceilings the combination of the UFO and the new leds work well. For the height you have I think the 8 foot leds may work really good. For the money I would order a box of 10 and do some testing. You can hook up to three together.
Jimmy

twotrucks 12-03-2020 12:31 PM

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What size are the posts? That is going to be awesome!

rharris 12-03-2020 05:38 PM

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The Amish finished a few weeks ago. The garage took a back seat until I finish two bedrooms we remodeled for the boys. Hoping to get on the ceiling liner next week. The walls are getting foamed tomorrow. I'm still undecided on the ceiling insulation. I'm thinking about trying this https://www.insulation4less.com/insu...l-48-inch.aspx

the Posts are 4x6 glulam

rharris 12-03-2020 05:43 PM

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I picked up this drywall lift to assist with the ceiling liner. It's a big help if you're working alone or only have one helper. The sheets are about 20'

PGSigns 12-03-2020 10:16 PM

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I have seen that insulation in places but don't have any experience on how well it works. For the cost of that stuff you may be able to get your insulation contractor to put R30 above your sheeting.
Jimmy

rharris 12-04-2020 05:32 PM

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I have seen that insulation in places but don't have any experience on how well it works. For the cost of that stuff you may be able to get your insulation contractor to put R30 above your sheeting.
Jimmy

$2400 for blown in R38. I think that might be a pain if i ever need to access it in the future.

rharris 12-04-2020 06:48 PM

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Foam is in. Thinking about this heater in a 100k or 125K. https://www.modinehvac.com/products/...wer-vented-hd/
I have 16 four foot led's ordered. I'm also using 6 UFO's - 3 on each side of the lift bay.
https://www.e-conolight.com/c-lite-l...-foot-38w.html
https://www.e-conolight.com/led-roun...reflector.html

Dieselwrencher 12-04-2020 08:52 PM

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WOW! I'm really jealous! That is an amazing building! It's coming together really nicely! That foam insulation is really nice. This will make for a very cool work area!

Greg58 12-05-2020 01:27 AM

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That foam looks great! How does it compare with fiberglass batts on price? R-value etc.
Are you planning to line the interior?
The reason I ask is my 48 x 60 is going up next week.
Greg

rharris 12-05-2020 06:17 AM

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That foam looks great! How does it compare with fiberglass batts on price? R-value etc.
Are you planning to line the interior?
The reason I ask is my 48 x 60 is going up next week.
Greg

Every inch of foam is r7, and they recommended 2”. However, my construction buddy told me you can’t compare R to R since this stuff is closed cell and it seals. 2” inch of this (r14) is better insulation than an R38 blown in. I can’t say for sure. I do know it increases the structural integrity of the building tremendously and helps a lot with sound dampening. I am putting metal up inside as well. They make an FJ channel that accepts the ceiling panel and wall liner. As far as cost I didn’t price batts, but this is expensive. The walls were $4,000. To line the gable and roof to complete it seal the building is an extra $5,000. I’m undecided on the ceiling/roof insulation yet. The budget appears to be breaking.

notsolo 12-05-2020 08:14 AM

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Looking good, I used 2 bats of R 19 side by side for ceiling. Don't know if it's the most effective. Because we get a lot of wind I used foam blocks to seal the ends at the top of the walls.

rharris 12-05-2020 09:30 AM

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Looking good, I used 2 bats of R 19 side by side for ceiling. Don't know if it's the most effective. Because we get a lot of wind I used foam blocks to seal the ends at the top of the walls.

Interested in learning more. Thatís the way Iím leaning. What type of blocks? I need to block off the eaves but still allow it to vent (I think). Iím not a carpenter or construction guy - electrician by trade.

notsolo 12-05-2020 10:48 AM

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Dow...1" blue foam, cut with knife or table saw ( table saw tends to grab...be careful ) filling in between, cut a couple samples and fit......go higher than insulation, but allow air flow over the top from eves...sofit. wedge fit and caulk in place, over top of wall close to outside edge.....2" pink foam might be better on yours with longer pieces

notsolo 12-05-2020 11:13 AM

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Black Friday sale Walmart had 4ft led shop lights for $10..5000 lumes....not as neat a profile as the 1's you had listed, decent lights, very bright.

rharris 12-05-2020 12:44 PM

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Black Friday sale Walmart had 4ft led shop lights for $10..5000 lumes....not as neat a profile as the 1's you had listed, decent lights, very bright.

i definately could have saved money on the lights, but I have bought cree lighting before and was very pleased and they have a 5 year warranty. I haven't had any issues yet. I like the narrow footprint - it will fit nicely between small ribs on ceiling.

Greg58 12-05-2020 03:04 PM

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Every inch of foam is r7, and they recommended 2Ē. However, my construction buddy told me you canít compare R to R since this stuff is closed cell and it seals. 2Ē inch of this (r14) is better insulation than an R38 blown in. I canít say for sure. I do know it increases the structural integrity of the building tremendously and helps a lot with sound dampening. I am putting metal up inside as well. They make an FJ channel that accepts the ceiling panel and wall liner. As far as cost I didnít price batts, but this is expensive. The walls were $4,000. To line the gable and roof to complete it seal the building is an extra $5,000. Iím undecided on the ceiling/roof insulation yet. The budget appears to be breaking.

My building contractor is lining the ceiling and blowing r-38 on top. The sidewalls are mine to deal with. I am going 16.5' sidewalls with scissor trusses to get around 18' in the center.
How will you wire you're sidewalls? Thanks for all the pics.

rharris 12-05-2020 03:25 PM

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thinking about these to keep the vent and close off the soffit. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Owens-Co...70RM/204848302

I will run wire in the wall and put a 3/4" hole in the inside metal and use a plastic grommet to feed the wire through inside panel. My boxes will be surface mounted using the top holes in the box to fasten through the metal and to the purlins. I thought about running a 1 1/4" pvc trunk line on the surface and dropping out of T's where i want receptacles, but i don't want to see all that PVC. I will also run a 2'PVC from the panel up the inside wall to the attic for future wire runs if needed that way i can drop the romex through the conduit and not need to take off metal panels. The ceiling will have 2-50' retractable receptacles and air lines. I'll also pull a piece of 14/3 romex from the house to turn the pole barn exterior lights on from my attached garage.

rharris 12-05-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg58 (Post 8845351)
My building contractor is lining the ceiling and blowing r-38 on top. The sidewalls are mine to deal with. I am going 16.5' sidewalls with scissor trusses to get around 18' in the center.
How will you wire you're sidewalls? Thanks for all the pics.

Keep in mind that the blown in could be cumbersome to deal with if you ever need to access the attic or drop in another light or so. It's still on the table for me, but i'm not convinced it is right for me. i'm also considering spraying the ceiling liner. If i spray the roof line, it will seal up all the gaps from the metal roof which i like the idea of keeping bees and whatever else out.

rharris 12-05-2020 03:39 PM

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Irrelevant to the garage, but super proud.

Greg58 12-05-2020 05:29 PM

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Great that you are getting you're kids into shooting and hunting sports!
A passion that can serve them for a lifetime.

rharris 12-05-2020 05:38 PM

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Great that you are getting you're kids into shooting and hunting sports!
A passion that can serve them for a lifetime.

That’s my brother and my boys. My dad and he live for it. I don’t care for it. The meat sucks unless you make into jerky or bologna or tacos or something seasoned. I prefer beef. We do eat every bit they harvest. I don’t care to kill deer either. I hate the cold, rain, and boredom of hunting.


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