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struggling with the ceiling insulation. If i blow in, i will need to block off the eves to keep the insulation from going down the walls and out the soffit vent. They make rafter mates, but they are for 24" OC. I have 48". Putting two together don't work so nice. The rafter mate keeps a channel of vented air from the soffit vent up to the ridge vent and allows a spot for the blown to rest against. Thoughts?

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I just watched this guys video, he goes over just what you are dealing with.

Greg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzCp...6s4Cv3&index=8

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That lift sure would be handy to have. I see they used the vapor barrier, but here I believe the roof tin would still sweat and drip water down. You'd still have to put something on the bottom side of the roof tin IMO. My roof in my 1st shop dripped onto the foam insulation that was on top of the plastic vapor barrier. I had osb on my ceiling not tin. I was trying to come up with a way to put something on the bottom of the roof tin that would be light and allow venting as well. My trusses were 4 foot apart and I had the same problem he is having. Those trough liners were only available in 2 foot sections. I was going to use furring strips to secure them but I never did finish that project. It still needs to be done. I haven't had that issue since I quit heating it though.

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Decided to have the ceiling foamed. Hated to spend the extra money but it seemed like the right option at this point with the walls being foamed. It should pay back in heating and cooling. How long that payback is i'm not sure, i imagine it will be quite some time. I dont have to worry about condensation now and that makes me feel better. When i pulled down the two ceiling panels that i had up there was condensation on the other side of them already. Of course I don't have doors yet and the weather is 25 in the morning and 50 in the afternoon. Anyway, hopefully after next week i can get moving on it.

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I think you made the right choice IMO. My next building I plan to do the same. The condensation problem leads to engines and bare metal rusting. Real PITA. That extra money spent will save you in more than heating bills. :lol: I'm sure you already know, but make sure you get the best insulated double steel paneled doors you can. Those cheap doors sure leak air and the wind flexes them a lot.

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Yeah the doors were salty too. They are R18

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Foamers came back yesterday to do some touch up and make sure that everything was sealed. The overhead doors are in so I need to get moving and get the ceiling liner and front wall done. I'm going to schedule the doors for two weeks out.

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Wow! I bet that took the echo right out of that room!

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Looking good.
Jimmy

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All overhead electric is roughed in so we can work on the ceiling liner. We predrilled the sheets so the screws would all be straight. 4 panels are up - so far so good. The first night my buddy sliced open his hand on the metal and the next night a part of the drywall lift fell 10' and hit my forearm. 2 nights 2 injuries. Hope that trend ceases.

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Your average is not real good. Something we learned doing mine gloves always when doing metal. Hopefully yall get through the rest with no more injuries.
Jimmy

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Dang! Sorry to hear of you and your friend's injuries! That metal is stupid sharp! The insulation looks great though! Isn't it nice to be able to put stuff in it now? It's a double edged sword at this point. You're so close to the end but it feels like so far away from getting in and working on projects in it. :lol:

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I am going to try to keep it somewhat empty until i am done working on it. We had a productive day today. We got 27 pieces of ceiling liner up. We had 2 guys on separate scaffoldings and 3 guys on the ground. There are 3 stacks of 13 panels that we predrilled - i wanted straight screws. We started in the opposite end corner of the man door so when you come in the man door you can't see the overlaps. The doors are getting installed on the 18th, so i have to have the ceiling completed.

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Great progress. Looks good.
Jimmy

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That looks really nice!

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The overhead door installers do not want ribbed metal up to the edge of the door frames due to his track and opener brackets. Most times you see the door 2x6 is exposed or painted. Since the entire inside of my building will have metal panels i didn't want the wood exposed. I had the Amish store bend some pieces to accommodate. I think it turned out really well. Ribbed panels and J-channel will go between the doors. I'm also happy with the soffit lights. I knew they would not give off much useable light, but i think they look great. I'm thinking about hanging hubcaps where the light hits the clay above the doors.

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Coming along nicely.
Jimmy

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Doors are in

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Doors look nice on it. Almost time to start filling it up.
Jimmy

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I know I'm way late to this party, but when I built my shop, I utilized 10mil plastic sheeting to create my own insulation baffles. I also installed sheeting to create a vapor barrier above the ceiling sheetmetal. Since I work alone, I used a drywall hoist to get each panel up near the ceiling, slid it onto two deadmen made out of 2x4 off-fall, then attached it to the trusses. I ended up blowing in about R-55 of fiberglass in the ceiling (I bought more insulation than I really needed, and I wasn't going to take it back). With R-19 batts in the walls, and the building sealed up as tight as it is, heating and cooling my 30'x60'x12-1/2' building takes next to nothing. I've been enjoying the building for a great couple of years now.

Good looking build you've got going on!

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The heater is in. It heats up quick, 38 - 62 degrees on initial fire up in about 45 minutes. It does use more fuel than i expected. In two weeks it has used over 30 gallons if my calculations and gage is correct. I keep it around 45-48 and had it kicked up to 55 two or three times for about 12 hours each time. I was hoping to go all season on one fill - that certainly isn't going to happen if I keep the heat on. I used an infrared gun during a 20 degree day on the building, inside and out, and i don't see any heat loss/transfer in the walls or roof line. It was about 2 degrees cooler above the metal ceiling, so the metal is doing a little to restrict heat to the attic, but not much as expected. The doors are insulated well at R17, but you can see from the pictures that there is loss there. There was about an 8 degree increase around the seals and in between panels.

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Lights are in 2 of the 4 bays and I am happy with the looks and the lighting. It gives off enough light, without shadowing. It's easy on the eyes with the frosted cover. The open LED style really mess with my eyes and head and these were a good choice in avoiding it.

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Looking good.
Jimmy

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All the lights are in and the electric is roughed in the walls. The wall liner is all up except for the area where the bathroom will be. I still need to frame that out. I'm very happy with the fascia on the front wall under the overhead door tracks and springs. One sheet of ribbed metal would have fit between the doors, but I had to half two sheets where the openers are so it would flex enough to go under the opener.

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update on the heater - I used 65 gallons in 4 weeks. I would maintain 40 when i wasn't out there and then raise it to 50 sometimes when I was working on it.

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Getting close to being done. You have done a nice job on the shop.
Jimmy

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Working in the small garage is getting old. Time to move the C10 and the A into their new home and get the new garage done. I have to finish framing out the bathroom and a few pieces of wall liner and then i'll be completely ready to move in. We plumbed for a shower just because it was cheap to do so prior to pouring the concrete, not thinking i would ever need it. But as we were framing the bathroom my buddy mentioned that we are not getting a 36" shower through the bathroom door and we needed to get in in before finishing the framing. So i bought the shower and it will be in place. I'm sure the kids will use it. My little guy takes paper and markers out and draws in the garage, even when no one is in there. Glad to see that.

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Good to see you are about ready yo put the new shop to work.
Jimmy

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You're getting so close now! It looks awesome! How many BTU's is you heater? It looks kind of small for that large space IMO. Maybe it's running all the time to maintain? Mine is on NG and I usually don't leave mine on all the time. I haven't tracked my usage so maybe I'd be surprised. :lol:

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Heater is 125k btu. It doesn't run that often. I timed it at 6 minute run cycles once every hour if i maintain 60. It beats being cold. Maybe once i get fully moved in i can do a better assessment on the heat.

Considering using epoxy on the floor. I have never used it before, and i worry about it peeling in the future.

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That is a damn nice aircraft hanger:uhmk: Joking aside, really cool project, came out very well. Looks great.

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Epoxy has +'s and -'s. I personally think it's worth doing but you really need to do it before you get moved in and working in it or it's a PITA to do later. Just don't go with a smooth coating or it'll be stupid slick.

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Wow looks great!

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I am jealous my 24x40 is getting small :lol: next place I'm building something like this.

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Thanks guys, I’m happy with it.
Decision time on 2 or 4 post lift. I’d like a 4 post, but after you buy the jacks for wheel work it adds up to about twice the money as a 2 post.

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Been eyeing 4 post lifts. cool thing about them is usually you can get casters for them so you don't have to bolt them down, and can easily roll them to a different position. Bonus for me since I change my mind alot. Downside is the price, twice as much as a two post lift. I just like the stability of them tho.

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same thoughts here

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A 4-post affords you the ability to stack cars safely, which is a bigger bonus than you might initially expect.

I considered a 2-post when I started looking, but the mobility, safety, ability to stack cars, etc. all won me over on the 4-post. As soon as you get one, you'll complain that you should've done it so much sooner. :lol:

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Garage is about done, with the exception of the bathroom. Kids brought the air hockey table out. It has seen more use in the last few days than it has in 10 years.

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Internet, satellite, and wifi thermostat are working.