Old Oil Filters- will the paper elements degrade & cause filtering issues

[70cst]

I recently purchased two NOS White PF25 oil filters plus the Blue PF25 oil filters as a package. A comment was made about the integrety of the paper e;ements after all these years -- which I never thought of - Should I worry about the paper elemets degrading and creating oil flow issues or is this not an issues.
Thanks

[Grumpy old man]

I think they will probably be fine to use With no signs of water damage Etc, But is it really worth it when a new filter is so cheap and the only clue that you'll have if they do break down and cause a problem it's to late , They look great sitting on a shelf in the garage .

[HotWheelsFan]

Open one up and physically tear into the paper element, I'd bet they should be fine.

[Sheepdip]

I have read about oil filters coming apart but have never experienced it or know anyone who has.
I would think for that to happen it would have to be so dirty or plugged for it to actually disintegrate the insides of the filter.
There is always the possibility of a defective product with anything.

[cericd]

This thread and your other oil filter thread got me thinking. I've been looking around the web and came across a video of a guy comparing an AC Delco filter from approximately 1990 to a newer version of a similar AC Delco filter made recently. I haven't finished watching the video but once he showed the inside of the canister, I wanted to post here in case you want to watch the video.

Here's a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg1rEZDiHg and a screenshot showing the inside of the canister of the old filter.

[70cst]

Originally Posted by cericd

This thread and your other oil filter thread got me thinking. I've been looking around the web and came across a video of a guy comparing an AC Delco filter from approximately 1990 to a newer version of a similar AC Delco filter made recently. I haven't finished watching the video but once he showed the inside of the canister, I wanted to post here in case you want to watch the video.

Here's a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg1rEZDiHg and a screenshot showing the inside of the canister of the old filter.

Thanks - solid info

Whats your thoughtd folks?

[jaros44sr]

I have to agree with the grumpy old man, is worth it? They would look better in a display case, not on your engine. Send some to me, I have a lot of automoblia(speling?)

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by cericd

This thread and your other oil filter thread got me thinking. I've been looking around the web and came across a video of a guy comparing an AC Delco filter from approximately 1990 to a newer version of a similar AC Delco filter made recently. I haven't finished watching the video but once he showed the inside of the canister, I wanted to post here in case you want to watch the video.

Here's a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg1rEZDiHg and a screenshot showing the inside of the canister of the old filter.

Not sure why he was so concerned about surface rust on the canister .

[kwmech]

So what's next?? use by dates on oil filters? I have 20 year old 5 gallon pails of 15/40, 90wt and ATF. The have dating on them.

[garyd1961]

I was working at a chevy dealership when ACDelco switched from a usa made filter to a foreign made filter. I noticed it right away, you can look at the base of the filter and tell the difference. The US made filter has a thicker curved base and the foreign filter has a flat base made of lighter metal. The very first one I removed from a car my filter pliers went rigjt through the casing of the filter like it was an egg shell.

[Steeveedee]

Originally Posted by cericd

This thread and your other oil filter thread got me thinking. I've been looking around the web and came across a video of a guy comparing an AC Delco filter from approximately 1990 to a newer version of a similar AC Delco filter made recently. I haven't finished watching the video but once he showed the inside of the canister, I wanted to post here in case you want to watch the video.

Here's a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg1rEZDiHg and a screenshot showing the inside of the canister of the old filter.

No offense, but what bunch of nonsense. There are engineering trades on every design. He's making a bunch of measurements that mean very little in those oil filter's utility. #clueless Either one of those filters met the manufacturer's warranty criteria for filtration efficiency, or they wouldn't have been offered for sale. I've seen where people hate on Fram filters, and I've used them for decades without an oil-related failure, and 1 million+ miles over the time I've been driving.

[cericd]

None taken. I don’t know Jack about different oil filters. I thought that since the original poster was worried about the degradation of the “old” filter media, he may also want to know that there is a possibility of the inside of the canister being all rusty. I wasn’t saying that the guy that made the video knew what he was talking about. Just that he had cut an old AC Delco filter open and showed the inside. That’s why I posted a pic of the rust.

[Steeveedee]

Originally Posted by cericd

None taken. I don’t know Jack about different oil filters. I thought that since the original poster was worried about the degradation of the “old” filter media, he may also want to know that there is a possibility of the inside of the canister being all rusty. I wasn’t saying that the guy that made the video knew what he was talking about. Just that he had cut an old AC Delco filter open and showed the inside. That’s why I posted a pic of the rust.

Fair enough...and I wouldn't want a filter that may be rusty on the inside, though it probably wouldn't matter that much, really. Oil isn't going to lift the rust off and circulate it through the engine.

[chevmn]

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

\ I've seen where people hate on Fram filters, and I've used them for decades without an oil-related failure, and 1 million+ miles over the time I've been driving.

I have been guilty of hating on the Frams, and I will be honest, I used to use nothing but Fram, and Pennzoil. In 1991 I purchased a new C1500 4x4, and had it in for a warranty issue (non oil related), and I had noticed it had a brief knock on startup every morning, so I asked the service manager about it. He asked what filter I had on it, and I told him it was a Fram. He said, there is your issue, and advised I get that off and not use Fram filters. The 4x4 pickups at the time had a filter mounted sideways, and that filter did not have an anti-drainback valve therefore it allowed the filter to empty on shutoff. Now, with that said, I have no idea if that is still the case, but I have not used one since. But, I am normally one that I never go back once I find an issue with quality. At the time he did recommend the AC Delco filters, even though I never have my oil changed at a dealer, and never purchased one from them. I did use the Delco filters on that pickup while I owned it, and never again had the knock at startup, so what he said may have had some merit, and I am also sure Fram may have had more than one grade of filter, or the ones I purchased may have been missing that feature since it was sold at WM as I know manufacturers often cut corners to sell cheaper to some stores (not unusual). At any rate, there is my one and only reason I never use Fram oil filters. I have watched this thread with interest, as I also know I will not pay $15 for a filter when I know there are good filters out there for a reasonable price, and price or name brand does not always mean much if anything.

[special-K]

Oil filters, batteries, coolant, and many other automotive products are made by but a few companies and branded by the rest. Some are made to higher specs than others.

On these old stock filters, I'm inclined to say they should be just fine. The hesitation is understandable with the possible consequences. I like the idea of cutting one open to test the condition. If the paper isn't coming apart or degraded at all, I don't know why there would be any problems. I would also pour oil through and look at the oil. Next I'd try running one for a very short while, remove and inspect