Somewhat useless Truck trivia...

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by Joesjunk

All 4 wheel drive 71-72’s had power brakes standard. Trucks and Blazers both

3/4 ton and 1 ton 2wd 71-72’s all had power brakes as standard also

Was just getting ready to say all 71-72 K’s had standard power brakes.

[402Bowtie]

Originally Posted by Joesjunk

All 4 wheel drive 71-72’s had power brakes standard. Trucks and Blazers both

3/4 ton and 1 ton 2wd 71-72’s all had power brakes as standard also

Originally Posted by 57taskforce

Was just getting ready to say all 71-72 K’s had standard power brakes.

Nice--thanks for the education. I keep learning more about these trucks...

[Killer Bee]

uh-oh, Joe has entered the chat

[402Bowtie]

Ok new question:

Until what year and month could you order a 67-72 truck without a heater/defroster?

[jocko]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Through the fleet organization.

They have a whole nuther world of SEO's (Specialty Equipment Options) that allow them to build unusual trucks for fleets like U Haul or Ryder, or as police vehicles.

K

Awesome, thanks Keith!

[jocko]

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie

That's an interesting chart. So if you went against the recommendation and requested a Dark Olive Cheyenne Super with a bench seat with black trim...would you receive an olive vinyl/houndstooth seat with every other interior trim piece being black? Or would the seat violate the Cheyenne Super Olive/Parchment/Blue houndstooth rule, and you would receive a black vinyl/houndstooth seat? So many questions... Either way that would be an interesting truck to see.

Dark olive seems to be a somewhat rare color to begin with....I've got one but it is only a Cheyenne (and it has olive interior).

I think that if a customer ordered a Dark Olive Cheyenne Super and also requested black interior trim with bench seat (against Chevy's recommended interior color list), he would likely get a black bench Cheyenne (i.e. all vinyl with scroll debossing) seat cover with black+woodgrain door panels, headliner, carpet, and dash pad, seat belts, etc.

[Killer Bee]

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie

Ok new question:

Until what year and month could you order a 67-72 truck without a heater/defroster?

December 1968 required by FMVSS

[Steeveedee]

Maybe the power brakes in '70 had something to do with other options? I was thinking that power brakes were standard on 3/4 and 1T trucks; I seem to recall reading that here, in a different thread. Coupled with the fact that power brakes are not listed on my SPID but the truck had them. The Z81 Custom Camper RPO rolls up a whole bunch of other options:

Z60 CUSTOM – (INCLUDES SEAT TRIM, SUNSHADE LIGHTER, HUB CAPS, REAR WINDOW GLASS, HEADLINING, DUAL HORNS, COAT HOOKS AND HORN BLOWING RING)

Z61 CUSTOM APPEARANCE – (INCLUDES CHROME TRIM, RAD. GRILLE, W/S MLDG., CAB TRIM PANEL, STEERING WHEEL AND HORN RING)

V60 FOOT TIRE PUMP

V37 CHROME BUMPER

G60 AUXILIARY REAR SPRINGS

F59 FRONT STABILIZER

F51 FRONT AND REAR SHOCK ABSORBER

D29 WEST COAST MIRROR – Jr.

C42 HEATER-DELUXE

Now, my SPID lists stainless camper mirrors, which I guess superseded the D29 mirrors.

I got this information from Jeff Lampe's list- http://outintheshop.com/options.html

I wonder where the alleged V60 Foot Tire Pump ever went? I've been around this truck for over 40 years and never saw that pump. There's no windshield trim molding, either. I feel cheated. I'll have to console myself with the free truck.

[402Bowtie]

Originally Posted by Killer Bee

December 1968 required by FMVSS

Well, maybe I need to start asking questions that I know a definitive answer to...I was thinking January 1968 based on this post from SS Tim. But that is the only source I can provide...

[Killer Bee]

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie

Well, maybe I need to start asking questions that I know a definitive answer to...I was thinking January 1968 based on this post from SS Tim. But that is the only source I can provide...

that's likely correct for the date GM initiated compliance..

I just guessed the date is was required federally by FMVSS 103

I work with DOT, NHTSA, FMVSS, etc. regulations daily as they apply to our on road fleet but I'm not really familiar with that much history of when individual OEMs began compliance..

for instance, I regularly have to explain to drivers why their truck is red tagged for b/o heater core or blower motor, both required for defroster system because it's required by FMVSS standard no 103 (windshield defrosting systems) but I have no idea when Freightliner, Peterbilt, Mack, Kenworth, GM, Ford, etc. initiated compliance..

the reg is searchable online and rather wordy but basically it was ratified 3 February 1967 and implemented 25 December 1968..

so the above was just my SWAG

[toms68cst]

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie

I have no idea on this one. When you say "chrome," you do mean chrome, right? Not stainless or aluminum?

Maybe the side mirror?

Not the side mirrors. I am not sure of the material but it makes something plain more shiny. It's simply described as "Trim" in the documentation I have. This is a CST-only feature, not part of the Custom level or other separate option.

[ThreeQuarter]

Originally Posted by toms68cst

For '68 at least, (perhaps this applies for other years too.)What was the ONLY chrome trim piece available as part of the CST package that was not available on the Custom or other separate option? I look for this trim piece every time I spot a picture of a 68 CST.

Since my ‘68 Custom did not come with this, and I’m not sure how it would have been optioned separately, I’m going to guess pedal trim?

[toms68cst]

Originally Posted by ThreeQuarter

Since my ‘68 Custom did not come with this, and I’m not sure how it would have been optioned separately, I’m going to guess pedal trim?

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! As far as I can tell, optioning for the CST package was the only way to get pedal trim. I'm not sure if this is true for the 67's or 69-72 CST or Cheyenne trucks.

[toms68cst]

Actually, I think you could probably equip a 68 Custom pretty much to look like a CST as they are pretty similar except for carpet and a chrome front bumper which either could be ordered separately. The seat materials and padding were also different.

[too much stuff]

Originally Posted by Chevyland

C- I believe to get a tool box door the truck had to be ordered with disc brakes
Also tool box doors were not available on k trucks

I don't believe disc brakes is something you could order. I am sure i have seen tool box doors on pre 71 trucks also.

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

My '70 is a Longhorn, but is missing the scripts on the bed. I suspect that it was hit and repaired, because the box is not truly square- something I didn't know until I had the new shell put on and it didn't line up right. It doesn't appear to have ever had the holes for the scripts. Possibly it was built on a hangover Monday and the guy forgot to put them on.

Not sure why, but i only recall the scripts on 68 models. Maybe someone with a survivor 71-72 can chime in on this.

[tdangle]

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

A is false. 3/4T and 1T trucks were equipped with power brakes as part of the package, so not listed on the SPID.

B is sort of true. You had to order the spare tire, they weren't factory equipped with it. I think that only the wheel was included. Seems kind of stupid, to me. Marketing, I suppose.

This is correct about the spare tire. I remember as a kid when my folks bought our truck it only had the wheel in the spare carrier with a piece of wood to keep it into place. My dad had a fit when he bought a tire, couldn't believe how much it was and made a big deal about it.

[tdangle]

Originally Posted by Chevyland

C- I believe to get a tool box door the truck had to be ordered with disc brakes
Also tool box doors were not available on k trucks

My 70 with 4 wheel drum brakes (C20 custom camper) has the bed side tool box.

Were disc brakes available in 70?

[too much stuff]

Originally Posted by tdangle

Were disc brakes available in 70?

No, but standard in 71

[ThreeQuarter]

Originally Posted by toms68cst

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! As far as I can tell, optioning for the CST package was the only way to get pedal trim. I'm not sure if this is true for the 67's or 69-72 CST or Cheyenne trucks.

Cool! I'll take the stuffed 6ft pink bear, please.

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by Chevyland

C- I believe to get a tool box door the truck had to be ordered with disc brakes
Also tool box doors were not available on k trucks

I don't think brakes mattered. For what ever reason you had to have power brakes to get a bed side tool box. I've had a 69 and 70 Longhorn that had drum brakes and tool box. I miss that 69.

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by 402Bowtie

A) edited: 71-72 20 and 30 series trucks came standard with J70 power brakes option, so the J70 option will not appear on these SPIDs. However, the J70 option will appear on the SPID of all 67-70 models as well as 71-72 1/2 tons with factory power brakes.
B) I thought my statement was purely false, in that you had to order some type of spare tire setup.


You're correct about the k trucks. But the option was available in 70 (and maybe 69?) without disc brakes.

Why was it you couldn't get the tool box on K trucks? Years ago I had 2 different K20s and they had tool boxes and I do not believe the beds were ever swapped. Unfortunately both of those are long gone as I sold one and the other got made into a pulling truck.

[pryorstemmed]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Why was it you couldn't get the tool box on K trucks? Years ago I had 2 different K20s and they had tool boxes and I do not believe the beds were ever swapped. Unfortunately both of those are long gone as I sold one and the other got made into a pulling truck.

They were only available on CE/2wd trucks. Not sure why...I'd love if they came in K trucks! Those trucks of yours must have been bed swapped if they were original K-Series.

[71CHEVYSHORTBED402]

The blower on my 72 C20 takes #10 screws which are #8 on my 71 C10. Original screws, and pretty useless.

[Dieselwrencher]

Where's SSTim now? Look at Post #23

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551365

It doesn't say K trucks couldn't be ordered with it. Tim didn't exclude K trucks. Intriguing.

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by pryorstemmed

They were only available on CE/2wd trucks. Not sure why...I'd love if they came in K trucks! Those trucks of yours must have been bed swapped if they were original K-Series.

I’m a fan! Mine is definitely swapped. Wonder if some browsing thru the spid picture thread might turn up a K with the tool/stowage box on the spid.