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Old 10-18-2019, 10:49 AM   #1
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Engine Blew, recommendations?

1969 GMC 2500 Custom Camper 350/4spd Work Truck with Ram's Horns just lost a piston and rod is clanking around. Engine had ~100,000 miles and had recently overheated after fan belt failure.
Anyway, I'm looking for a replacement and I see this "Chevy Performance" Base Engine" on summit for $2245 shipped. Is this the best option? I don't "need" a lot of power. The stock 350 I had in there was adequate but if I could get a little more torque that would be good too.Of course Vortec heads would be a good plus too but I'd need a new Intake. I'll have to pay a shop to do the swap but that's another thread.

Anybody have one of these https://www.summitracing.com/parts/n...1429/overview/ engines or know of a better option? Thanks, Brian
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:10 AM   #2
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I have bought a couple of the Jegs crate small blocks and have had good luck with them.

Edit: Link I posted didn't work. They have quite a few different ones posted on eBay.

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Old 10-18-2019, 01:54 PM   #3
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Re: Engine Blew, recommendations?

Best is very subjective.

That engine has less power (slightly) and torque than the factory engine in my 70 C20 Custom Camper with the 9.0:1 compression engine. Not sure if yours has the 8.0:1 or the 9.0:1 engine.

Chevrolet Performance should be reputable. Looking into rebuilt and crate engines, I am more interested in who built it than what the specs are.

No bad reviews on Summit Racing is a good thing. Lots of questions to help figure out if this is the right engine for you.

I'm not sure how engine mounts work with a later engine in these trucks. Shouldn't be an issue, just something to consider.

If you look at engines with Vortec heads, be aware of the fuel pump. Vortec came out in ~95 and by that point the blocks no longer had provisions for a mechanical fuel pump. Looking at crate engines, you can certainly have Vortec heads and a mechanical fuel pump, just something to watch out for.
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Old 10-18-2019, 02:16 PM   #4
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Those are great engines and almost identical to original. Previously known and marketed as goodwrench engines.
Everything on your engine will bolt on.
Very low problem rate with those and great warranty.
100% new and very long service life.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:09 PM   #5
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I've done a few of the Vortec cam roller motors in early trucks over the years. It is an upgrade and stock for stock it does have slightly more power. That said I would pass on the Vortec motor and stay with the early design, here's why:

Having to run an electric fuel pump has it's problems, noise, poor quality pumps that don't last, labor costs to configure and install. To do an electric pump correctly to absolve the above issues requires an in tank pump with a proper regulator and return line system. All labor and $$$........

If you have AC the brackets on the intake manifold won't work on the vortec, you'll have cut and fabricate to make 'em work.

As mentioned in another post, you’ll have to purchase an intake manifold as the early style will not fit vortec heads. In addition to that you will almost certainly run into some type of issues with carburetor/linkage that will require some kind of modification. If you’re going to retain the original Quadra jet carburetor there are no automatic choke provisions to match your original intake with any aftermarket Vortec intake manifold.

Exhaust ports are slightly higher on the vortec heads and sometimes the exhaust headpipes will have fitament issues.

Flywheels are different too, you will need one for a one piece rear main 350 (Vortec).

The bottom line is while the vortec is damn near a bolt in it does have enough differences to create issues to overcome with time and $$. Not a good thing if you are paying a shop to do the work. In your case I would keep it simple and keep it stock.......

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Here's my recommendation

https://falconerengines.com/falconer_v12.php
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Or go for an LS swap https://www.motor1.com/news/377022/i...ls-v12-crate-e
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Re: Engine Blew, recommendations?

Thanks for all of the replies. I found a local guy who might be able to rebuild mine or at least help with the R+R but it looks dicey. If I need to get a crate I may just go with the one I linked to (GM performance base).

LockDoc, I looked on Ebay for Jegs and the only one I saw for my year truck got one star rating from the only 3 guys who reviewed it. Kinda discouraging. If you find the link for the ones you like please post it up. https://www.ebay.com/itm/JEGS-7353-S...QAAOSwZV1cUbFr
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:41 PM   #9
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Thanks for all of the replies. I found a local guy who might be able to rebuild mine or at least help with the R+R but it looks dicey. If I need to get a crate I may just go with the one I linked to (GM performance base).
Dicey in what way? If you don't trust the guy I would ask around for recommendations for someone you can trust.

I think you'll find you're going to spend as much money for a rebuild (maybe more) as you would for a crate engine. You'll get all new parts with a crate and a warranty as well.

I really like the L31 Vortec, but it would increase your costs, especially if you're paying someone to install it for you.
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I've got an old iron 427, so I can't really help ya on what to get. I can tell you that you can do an engine swap in your driveway over a day or two with a buddy who has done a few, a camera to take pics on the removal so you know where everything goes on the install, and a bunch of cold beer. It does not get any easier than this.
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:49 AM   #11
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Do that new motor and keep involvement with the shop minimal with a quality engine backed by a manufacturer's warranty

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I've used this one with good results. It will eliminate as many variables as possible. Install with a new water pump for reliability.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-1...53.m1438.l2649
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Get one of the GMPerformance engines from Summit or Jegs. Direct bolt in using all your attachments. Stay away from eBay. Lots of crooks on eBay.
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Get one of the GMPerformance engines from Summit or Jegs. Direct bolt in using all your attachments. Stay away from eBay. Lots of crooks on eBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-1...STRK:MEBIDX:IT

The link I posted has a 99.7% positive feedback and over 29,000 transactions. I wouldn't hesitate to use them. If the price is lower than Summit or Jegs, he could ask them to price match. He could also ask a local GM dealer to do the same.
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You guys are great. A lot of good info here. I was away visiting my 98 year-old dad so just getting back to you.

Wesmigletz, that guy is MIA. "This seller is currently away, and is not processing orders at this time. You can add this item to your watch list to purchase later." And his link shows no items for sale in any category. But thanks for the lead.

I suppose I could do the R+R in the driveway where it sits now although it is on a slant and I'm not sure how that would work out. I've done one before, just 39 years ago with a buddy and lots of beer as suggested.

Truckster, it is dicey because it is a wheel+tire shop that used to handle my split-rims back in the day. I've known this guy for decades and he's a good guy but he has a guy working there who might be able to fix the engine or rebuild it but I haven't met this guy yet and I doubt that it would be a great option at this time. The shop owner knows all about the right way to do engines and I imagine that he would supervise. It's just that I will have to rent a truck to stay in business and I need someone to help me fast. I'm thinking that a crate GM lo-po to this shop and have them do the R+R. I'm not sure what the going rate is for this. Maybe $500?

Special-K. I would really love to have an LS!!! If I had a shop or any elbow room around here I would seriously consider a 6.0 or even a 5.3. Hell, a 4.8 would be an improvement. But I'm getting to the point where I put down a tool and then when I need it again it is gone, fallen into the black hole. And where is that gasket sealer I had right here? Oops I dropped the set key into the engine and the transmission won't line up. Na, I'll pay some guy to do the swap. I've been dreaming about a 383 torque motor and waiting for this engine to blow but now as they used to say in SE Asia "You cheap charlie!" And yep, it's always been true. -BA
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If you've got 55K laying around for that engine you're probably not worried about anything else.
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I've got the 'goodwrench' engine like the one you posted in my suburban. It gets the job done, but isn't a powerhouse. The HP rating they list on those is if its has headers and performance intake, carb, dist, ets - so if you bolt on old stock stuff you won't see that.

I added an edelbrock EPS intake, Summit 1102 cam, MSD ignition on mine and it woke it up a bit, but not much. Biggest thing that holds those engines back is the low compression heads. A vortec head crate engine would be a nice upgrade, but you'd need a different intake.

Here is an article where they build one up.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...e-engine-build

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I've got the 'goodwrench' engine like the one you posted in my suburban. It gets the job done, but isn't a powerhouse. The HP rating they list on those is if its has headers and performance intake, carb, dist, ets - so if you bolt on old stock stuff you won't see that.

I added an edelbrock EPS intake, Summit 1102 cam, MSD ignitionon mine and it woke it up a bit, but not much. Biggest thing that holds those engines back is the low compression heads. A vortec head crate engine would be a nice upgrade, but you'd need a different intake.

Here is an article where they build one up.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...e-engine-build
That's really good to know ManNamedJed. Thank you.
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<snip>...A vortec head crate engine would be a nice upgrade, but you'd need a different intake.

Here is an article where they build one up.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...e-engine-build
It's the 4th installment where they get down to the Vortec heads. Here's what they ended up with and it made 384hp(5700)/401tq(3600):

( They claim their porting was worth 13hp )

"GM Performance Partsí iron Vortec heads that flow air like a wind tunnel. We achieved 384 hp by simply pocket-porting the heads and bolting them to our existing combination. As a quick overview, the engine is a stock bottom-end GM Goodwrench 350 supplied by Scoggin-Dickey with a Comp Cams 268 Xtreme Energy camshaft (224/230 degrees at 0.050-inch tappet lift and 0.477-/0.480-inch valve lift with 110-degree lobe separation angle), roller-tipped rockers, and the Vortec heads. The rest of the engine is outfitted with an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, a Holley 750 double-pumper carburetor, Hooker 1-5/8-inch headers, and a pair of Hooker 2-ľ-inch turbo mufflers. Thatís it, except for the stock HEI distributor, MSD wires, and 92-octane pump gas."

Here's the article.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...gine-build-iv/

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I've used this one with good results. It will eliminate as many variables as possible. Install with a new water pump for reliability.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-1...53.m1438.l2649
I put this engine in my truck last year for the reasons he mentioned above. It's a good engine, and the seller was excellent to work with. That's Radley Chevrolet, they are a Chev dealer. If they aren't listing those engines anymore, I would find their phone number and give their parts dept a call. When I spoke to them on the phone (before clicking the "buy it now" on eBay) they were very helpful and easy to work with/ask questions, not to mention knowledgeable. I'm guessing they're still selling these engines, just maybe not on eBay for whatever reason right now. If nothing else, give them a call to see what they can do for you.

I had a friend out in my truck this past weekend. He had never ridden in it before and when we came down the entrance ramp to get on the freeway, he said, "The old girl's got some get up and go in her" It's certainly no race car, but does have decent enough pull for my tastes. This engine is not only brand new, but about as close as you're going to get to what came in these trucks back in the day.
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Good info, thanks for posting. My son and I are working a 1969 shortbed with a motor that is tired at best. He is an 18yo kid with no experience with how a beefed up motor will handle. My thought is a GM swap with a mild HP motor so he don't kill himself and it don't kill my wallet. LOL. Great info guys, just trolling. RR
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Saxart, thanks for the info. The decision is made. It will be one of these 195 HP GM crate motors at $1894 delivered from Radley. I called them and they had to suspend EBay sales during the GM strike but he has one he can send me.
Weg92f, I looked at that option (Vortec) and I've dreamed for years about this upgrade but right now I don't need any extra expenditures such as Intake mani, flywheel, or whatever else comes up. I called one local shop and he wanted $1000 just for the R+R! My mindset now is to just get it back to work as painlessly as possible. Thanks though. -BA

Funny how my local GM performace dealer wants $2600 (plus 9.5% tax) for the same engine that I can get delivered for free from a place that is 2619 miles away in Fredericksburg Va. for $1894.
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Saxart, thanks for the info. The decision is made. It will be one of these 195 HP GM crate motors at $1894 delivered from Radley. I called them and they had to suspend EBay sales during the GM strike but he has one he can send me.
Weg92f, I looked at that option (Vortec) and I've dreamed for years about this upgrade but right now I don't need any extra expenditures such as Intake mani, flywheel, or whatever else comes up. I called one local shop and he wanted $1000 just for the R+R! My mindset now is to just get it back to work as painlessly as possible. Thanks though. -BA

Funny how my local GM performace dealer wants $2600 (plus 9.5% tax) for the same engine that I can get delivered for free from a place that is 2619 miles away in Fredericksburg Va. for $1894.

Nice! Keep us posted on the R&R. Remember, we like pictures!
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That place buys from GM at what is probably a 30% discount and put a little profit on it. Commercial shippers pay crazy cheap shipping. People blame fuel costs on the ever rising cost for us little people to ship our things. I believe what it is, with such a huge amount of products now being bought "mail order" and parcel carriers giving deep discounts to compete for contracts, our cost keeps going up.

So you paid $300 for the truck? You realize that you are now exceeding the purchase price of this vehicle with the cost of this repair . You can truly say it's like buying another truck. But it would be hard to find one today for the cost of this repair. You are buying a new life for the same truck is more like it. A truck you know and like.

I had an engine swapped in to my '92 in '06 and $1,000 was the shops standard charge for that. So, not too bad for today in your area I'd say
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Before you install it would be a nice time to swap the cam. Cams are cheap, but a pain to install once its in the vehicle.

I used the Summit 1102, but wish I'd gone a bit more aggressive. Here's one to consider:
https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/sum-1103

Do you still have points ignition? Also a good time to do a HEI swap.
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