Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Iplay4keepz · 09-16-2020, 11:59 PM

Hello all.

I've been having some trouble identifying the power steering gear box that's on my 1963 c20, originally 292 i6. The pump itself has the signature "S" indicating that it is a saginaw box, and there is a tag on the bottom that I believe reads "73-68."

Every thread referenced in the FAQ's shows a similar looking pump, but the pitman arm is flipped on the pump that was put in my truck at some point.

Power steering gear box commonly found in Faq section:

Power steering gear on my truck:

Google and searching has led me in circles so far so if anyone could shed some light that would be greatly appreciated.

**The Rocknrod** · 09-17-2020, 07:56 AM

Wow. I have to noodle that around a bit. Never seen anyone have a pitman arm located like that.

Iplay4keepz · 09-17-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

Wow. I have to noodle that around a bit. Never seen anyone have a pitman arm located like that.

I havent been able to find anything about the pump itself. The whole steering geometry is different than what i usually see (I'll post more pics later on.) The strangest thing is that the tag number brings up a completely different pump!

**The Rocknrod** · 09-17-2020, 01:59 PM

I've n ever seen a box with Dual Arms out the bottom like that, is that what I'm seeing there?

Iplay4keepz · 09-17-2020, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

I've n ever seen a box with Dual Arms out the bottom like that, is that what I'm seeing there?

It's actually an idler setup hidden behind the box. It looks like when this modification was setup they did dual idlers (one, passenger side, one on the drivers side where i'm imagining the original box/pitman connect.) Then there is a connect point welded to the middle of the trailing arm.

I'm working on pictures but imgur isn't agreeing with me at the moment.

Iplay4keepz · 09-17-2020, 09:36 PM

Here is the drivers side idler tucked in behind the steering box.

**Captainfab** · 09-17-2020, 10:10 PM

That is the steering BOX not a PUMP. The pump mounts to the engine.

IMO that all needs to be torn off of there and the correct power steering box mounted properly with the correct steering box adapter plate.

Iplay4keepz · 09-17-2020, 10:19 PM

I can see where I have mixed up some of the wording in the original post. My question is still in regards to identifying the Saginaw steering box on the truck, not if I should replace it (I think that's a given at this point lol)! It's a situation of what the heck was put on this truck in the first place in case anyone runs into the same situation. It might not happen often but maybe 1 in a 1m.

**The Rocknrod** · 09-18-2020, 07:30 AM

I'd really put on normal c10/20 steering equipment, keep you're gear box, use this adapter plate and be done with it: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=332923

Iplay4keepz · 09-18-2020, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

I'd really put on normal c10/20 steering equipment, keep you're gear box, use this adapter plate and be done with it: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=332923

Why would I reuse the gear box? I can't even figure out what its from.

The question remains. Does anyone know or have information on THIS gearbox.

**The Rocknrod** · 09-18-2020, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Iplay4keepz

Why would I reuse the gear box? I can't even figure out what its from.

The question remains. Does anyone know or have information on THIS gearbox.

That's easy enough to fix - https://www.summitracing.com/parts/a...del/c10-pickup
I personally have no info on your box.

Iplay4keepz · 09-18-2020, 02:31 PM

Great advice. I guess its easier to push people to site vendors than to answer questions honestly and straight forward.

**The Rocknrod** · 09-18-2020, 02:55 PM

a. they are not a site vendor.
b. it's a strange box.
c. even you said you cannot figure it out.
d. the suggestion was to buy a correct box, use the correct mounting plate and that is sound advice.
The answers you get may not be what you want to hear and I have no response to that.
We here on this forum are here to help "if we can".

Iplay4keepz · 09-18-2020, 04:58 PM

Throw it away and buy something else doesn't answer the question. It's not even helpful when the question is "what is this?" Not "how can I fix this?" That's all I'm saying.

raylube · 09-18-2020, 05:04 PM

See if this helps. https://leepowersteering.com/pages/h...entify-gearbox

Iplay4keepz · 09-18-2020, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by raylube

See if this helps. https://leepowersteering.com/pages/h...entify-gearbox

Ive actually stumbled upon that site before. It seems to cover the styling found in almost every other chevy truck ive seen. Strangest part is that the most similar looking box goes on a ford. Even then it only shares the configuration of the pump, its very differrent otherwise. I think i will send them an email and maybe I can get a lead to chase.

raylube · 09-18-2020, 06:30 PM

There should be some more casting numbers. You may have to remove it and wire wheel it.

Iplay4keepz · 09-18-2020, 07:03 PM

Thank you raylube. Judging by the notes section I think this may be a really good lead as to identifying this part. It mentions ford units having a tag, which is present on the bottom of this gear box. All I have to do is get home and clean up the box. I'll see if there's any more numbers on it somewhere and post back.

09-16-2020, 11:59 PM	#1
Iplay4keepz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: ky Posts: 71	Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. Hello all. I've been having some trouble identifying the power steering gear box that's on my 1963 c20, originally 292 i6. The pump itself has the signature "S" indicating that it is a saginaw box, and there is a tag on the bottom that I believe reads "73-68." Every thread referenced in the FAQ's shows a similar looking pump, but the pitman arm is flipped on the pump that was put in my truck at some point. Power steering gear box commonly found in Faq section: Power steering gear on my truck: Google and searching has led me in circles so far so if anyone could shed some light that would be greatly appreciated.

09-17-2020, 07:56 AM	#2
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. Wow. I have to noodle that around a bit. Never seen anyone have a pitman arm located like that. __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

09-17-2020, 01:59 PM	#4
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. I've n ever seen a box with Dual Arms out the bottom like that, is that what I'm seeing there? __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

09-17-2020, 09:36 PM	#6
Iplay4keepz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: ky Posts: 71	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. Here is the drivers side idler tucked in behind the steering box.

09-17-2020, 10:10 PM	#7
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,246	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. That is the steering BOX not a PUMP. The pump mounts to the engine. IMO that all needs to be torn off of there and the correct power steering box mounted properly with the correct steering box adapter plate. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE

09-17-2020, 10:19 PM	#8
Iplay4keepz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: ky Posts: 71	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. I can see where I have mixed up some of the wording in the original post. My question is still in regards to identifying the Saginaw steering box on the truck, not if I should replace it (I think that's a given at this point lol)! It's a situation of what the heck was put on this truck in the first place in case anyone runs into the same situation. It might not happen often but maybe 1 in a 1m.

09-18-2020, 07:30 AM	#9
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. I'd really put on normal c10/20 steering equipment, keep you're gear box, use this adapter plate and be done with it: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=332923 __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

09-18-2020, 02:31 PM	#12
Iplay4keepz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: ky Posts: 71	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. Great advice. I guess its easier to push people to site vendors than to answer questions honestly and straight forward.

09-18-2020, 02:55 PM	#13
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. a. they are not a site vendor. b. it's a strange box. c. even you said you cannot figure it out. d. the suggestion was to buy a correct box, use the correct mounting plate and that is sound advice. The answers you get may not be what you want to hear and I have no response to that. We here on this forum are here to help "if we can". __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

09-18-2020, 04:58 PM	#14
Iplay4keepz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: ky Posts: 71	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. Throw it away and buy something else doesn't answer the question. It's not even helpful when the question is "what is this?" Not "how can I fix this?" That's all I'm saying.

09-18-2020, 05:04 PM	#15
raylube Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Preston Idaho Posts: 276	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. See if this helps. https://leepowersteering.com/pages/h...entify-gearbox

09-18-2020, 06:30 PM	#17
raylube Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Preston Idaho Posts: 276	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. There should be some more casting numbers. You may have to remove it and wire wheel it. Attached Images

09-18-2020, 07:03 PM	#18
Iplay4keepz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: ky Posts: 71	Re: Saginaw p/s steering gear identification. Thank you raylube. Judging by the notes section I think this may be a really good lead as to identifying this part. It mentions ford units having a tag, which is present on the bottom of this gear box. All I have to do is get home and clean up the box. I'll see if there's any more numbers on it somewhere and post back.



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