The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1973 - 1987 Chevrolet & GMC Squarebody Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-12-2021, 10:25 AM   #6376
Wgesnerjr
Senior Member
 
Wgesnerjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Atlanta, GA.
Posts: 680
Re: Restoring Rusty

Glad you are fine and Rusty is curable.

I bought Summit hoses for my LS swap 3 years ago. No issues what so ever.

Now, if I could get the steering gear box to stop leaking, I would be great!!
__________________
Jay Gesner
Atlanta, GA
1985 C10 Long Bed 4X2
LS 5.3, 4L60E
Father/Daughter Project
Wgesnerjr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2021, 12:56 PM   #6377
MikeB
Senior Member
 
MikeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Justin, TX
Posts: 2,479
Re: Restoring Rusty

Good to see a post about Rusty again!

Guess I've been lucky. I have a 69 truck with the same braided fuel line on it for close to 20 years. Not much pressure there, of course. Also had a braided power steering pressure hose on my square for 5 years with a tight bend.

Can't remember the hose brands, however I was buying just about everything from Summit back then.

You can see how the hose does a 180 loop to connect to a 90 degree hose end.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Mike
1969 C10 LWB -- bought in 1989
1982 C10 SWB -- owned 2013-2020
Retired as a factory automation products salesman.
Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop.
Member here for 21 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!

Last edited by MikeB; 03-16-2021 at 04:54 PM.
MikeB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2021, 03:31 PM   #6378
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by LT7A View Post
Bro, sorry to hear about your plumbing issues. I'm concerned about Rusty's as well. I appreciate the warning on Amazon braided stainless. Do you remember the cost, compared to Summit's offering? I confess to being an avid bargain-hunter but am revising that perspective to looking for good prices on domestic products when possible.

Glad your kidneys checked out good. And you might want to stop shopping for gas with drug dealers. Just a thought.
ha ha, here is a link to each, it appears one was $50 the other $80 but I would have paid $200 had I known it would have been trouble free, I guess I have reached that stage in my life, I make a little more money now and time is more valuable etc I bet lots of you will agree

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-230620
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2021, 04:44 PM   #6379
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wgesnerjr View Post
Glad you are fine and Rusty is curable.

I bought Summit hoses for my LS swap 3 years ago. No issues what so ever.

Now, if I could get the steering gear box to stop leaking, I would be great!!
yup, looks like your steering gear box came with the famous PLS option, aka Pavement Lubrication System!

honestly I found power steering fluid to be the nastiest of all of them, that includes brake fluid and transmission fluid which some people claim to be interchangeable, sometimes the leak could be caused by trying to mate later style O-ringed hoses to older style gear boxes, maybe I got those two backwards but i know ones had rubber orings in them and the others didn't, so using a newer hose on an older box aint always a better option
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2021, 04:53 PM   #6380
Wgesnerjr
Senior Member
 
Wgesnerjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Atlanta, GA.
Posts: 680
Re: Restoring Rusty

Affirmative on the PLS!!

Mine was and o-ring from start so the 85 hose when right into the LS pump with no leaks. Mine is leaking at the steering shaft input. It desperately needs to be rebuilt. Its in the cue: behind the rear end and repaint of drivers door.

It never ends....
__________________
Jay Gesner
Atlanta, GA
1985 C10 Long Bed 4X2
LS 5.3, 4L60E
Father/Daughter Project
Wgesnerjr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2021, 04:57 PM   #6381
hatzie
Moderator
 
hatzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wentworth, NH
Posts: 4,389
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregski View Post
yup, looks like your steering gear box came with the famous PLS option, aka Pavement Lubrication System!

honestly I found power steering fluid to be the nastiest of all of them, that includes brake fluid and transmission fluid which some people claim to be interchangeable, sometimes the leak could be caused by trying to mate later style O-ringed hoses to older style gear boxes, maybe I got those two backwards but i know ones had rubber orings in them and the others didn't, so using a newer hose on an older box aint always a better option
I think you mean power steering fluid and transmission fluid are said to be interchangeable. Sometimes they are. I used to run Dexron II and Dexron III in the power steering on my grandfathers' farm trucks in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
I wouldn't run Dexron VI in your power steering. Dexron III, if it still existed, would likely be just fine. Since it's no longer available I'll stick with Power Steering juice.

Glycol DOT3 or DOT4 Brake fluid has more in common with anti-freeze than oil.
__________________
1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD
1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD
1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD
1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD
1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD
1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD
2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500
2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263
2009 Impala SS LS4 V8


RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials...Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions.
And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.
hatzie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2021, 02:33 PM   #6382
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzie View Post
I think you mean power steering fluid and transmission fluid are said to be interchangeable.
Yes
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2021, 02:38 PM   #6383
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

so the Summit hose arrived the very next day (yesterday) much to my surprise and I want to share a couple observations with you

1. note the crappy factory cuts, these are horrible and a total waste of ends, they should put some tape on there to keep the ends from fraying

2. I swear this seems like the exact same hose I bought from Amazon except Summit is charging more for it ($80 vs $50)

the cynic in me has this vision of a random cheap steal braided hose factory in the middle of Manila somewhere where they ship miles of this stuff to different American distributors with the premise of charge what ever the he11 you want for it

but first a box in a box
Attached Images
     

Last edited by Gregski; 03-13-2021 at 02:50 PM.
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2021, 02:40 PM   #6384
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

and here's a close up of one of the factory cut ends

as our friend LT7A pointed out "must have been cut with a hammer" ha ha

see the problem with said hose ends is that you cannot just cut an inch off the end to get a nice cut, in my experience you have to lop off at least a foot or so to keep the strands in order, maybe I'm just doing it wrong but I've tried it with many different cutting implements yielding the same results
Attached Images
  
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2021, 02:43 PM   #6385
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

although only one hoser was weeping I decided to make two new ones, and I was flying along until I got confused on the second hose and pulled the end off of the good new hose instead of the end off of the old hose, that made me mad and I wasted a hose as I couldn't get the end back on it, it was too fraid

pic of one new one in a handsome heat sleeve
Attached Images
 
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2021, 02:48 PM   #6386
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

MANDATORY FAVORITE JOKE TIME

Three young ropes want to buy some beer at a local bar.

The first rope goes in and asks for a drink and the bartender asks, "Are you a rope?"

To which the rope replies, "yeah I am"

"Sorry we don't serve ropes here. You'll have to leave." the bartender replies

The second rope goes man why did you have to tell him and heads inside and asks for a drink and the bartender asks, "Are you a rope?"

He says, "no" but the bartender asks him for some ID and says "It says here you're a rope, and we don't serve ropes here. You'll have to leave."

The third rope ties himself in a knot and undoes his top braid a bit and ruffles it up. He goes in and asks for a drink. The bartender asks, "Say, aren't you a rope?"

He replies, "I'm a frayed knot."
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2021, 06:14 PM   #6387
hatzie
Moderator
 
hatzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wentworth, NH
Posts: 4,389
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregski View Post
although only one hoser was weeping I decided to make two new ones, and I was flying along until I got confused on the second hose and pulled the end off of the good new hose instead of the end off of the old hose, that made me mad and I wasted a hose as I couldn't get the end back on it, it was too fraid

pic of one new one in a handsome heat sleeve
Have you laid your hands on the short version of the Craftsman Handi Cut tools? I bet they will cut that hose and braid off nice and square.
I've had four four of the short ones since about 1995 and one of the long ones. Great cutoff tools for fuel, oil, and water hoses including the hoses with thin braided wire covers.
I have two shorties and the one long set in the garage. I use one more set of them to cut network and other signal cables and the other to cut and prep coaxial cables.

I can still buy the nylon anvils and steel blades but Stanley stopped production of this damn handy little tool when they took over Craftsman.
Some other enterprising soul is making them now. If they're as stout as the real thing get em while you can.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ronan-2-1-2...t/303670186301

This is the real McCoy...https://www.ebay.com/itm/254876062134
__________________
1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD
1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD
1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD
1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD
1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD
1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD
2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500
2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263
2009 Impala SS LS4 V8


RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials...Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions.
And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.

Last edited by hatzie; 03-14-2021 at 12:20 PM.
hatzie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2021, 10:35 AM   #6388
LT7A
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,960
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregski View Post
ha ha, here is a link to each, it appears one was $50 the other $80 but I would have paid $200 had I known it would have been trouble free, I guess I have reached that stage in my life, I make a little more money now and time is more valuable etc I bet lots of you will agree

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-230620
Thanks for the links!
LT7A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2021, 10:37 AM   #6389
LT7A
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,960
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregski View Post
pic of one new one in a handsome heat sleeve
Haha, "handsome”.
LT7A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2021, 10:38 AM   #6390
LT7A
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,960
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzie View Post
Have you laid your hands on the short version of the Craftsman Handi Cut tools? I bet they will cut that hose and braid off nice and square.
I've had four four of the short ones since about 1995 and one of the long ones. Great cutoff tools for fuel, oil, and water hoses including the hoses with thin braided wire covers.
I have two shorties and the one long set in the garage. I use one more set of them to cut network and other signal cables and the oher to cut and prep coaxial cables.

I can still buy the nylon anvils and steel blades but Stanley stopped production of this damn handy little tool when they took over Craftsman.
Some other enterprising soul is making them now. If they're as stout as the real thing get em while you can.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ronan-2-1-2...t/303670186301

This is the real McCoy...https://www.ebay.com/itm/254876062134
I had no idea you could cut braided stainless with such a device. Good info.
LT7A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2021, 12:16 PM   #6391
MikeB
Senior Member
 
MikeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Justin, TX
Posts: 2,479
Re: Restoring Rusty

Not elegant, but this always works for me.

__________________
Mike
1969 C10 LWB -- bought in 1989
1982 C10 SWB -- owned 2013-2020
Retired as a factory automation products salesman.
Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop.
Member here for 21 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!
MikeB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2021, 12:22 PM   #6392
hatzie
Moderator
 
hatzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wentworth, NH
Posts: 4,389
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
Not elegant, but this always works for me.

Nice!!

The painters tape is a good trick to keep the braid from unraveling no matter what you use to cut it.
__________________
1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD
1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD
1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD
1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD
1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD
1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD
2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500
2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263
2009 Impala SS LS4 V8


RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials...Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions.
And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.
hatzie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2021, 01:09 PM   #6393
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

thanks guys I really appreciate the feedback and I hope this helps others as well, I am with you on the cut off wheel I get the thinnest possible and you won't know what's a thin wheel unless you see two or three kinds side by side at your local Ace or other supply house

also I recommend using a full size cut off wheel so like a new 4" and not a used up one or a mini so that your cut can just go straight through and you don't have to rotate the implement all the way around the hose

and finally just a twist on the tips give, I found that for me clear shipping tape holds the braids tightest our of masking tape or painters tape, it is a bit of a PIA to get off after the cut but I just cut it with a razor length wise and off it comes, and lately I just started to bend the end over about 1/8th of an inch to give me a starting point on peeling it back

again thank you all for you the tips
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2021, 06:59 AM   #6394
LT7A
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,960
Re: Restoring Rusty

Mike, this is a very clean and detailed engine bay. Something they would have called super-sanitary, back in the day.
Attached Images
 
LT7A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2021, 09:02 AM   #6395
MikeB
Senior Member
 
MikeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Justin, TX
Posts: 2,479
Re: Restoring Rusty

Quote:
Originally Posted by LT7A View Post
Mike, this is a very clean and detailed engine bay. Something they would have called super-sanitary, back in the day.
Thanks. That was shortly after I installed the engine. Because it replaced a 250 six, literally every bolt, bracket, hose, and belt were new, except for the air cleaner. It eventually got headers, which also looked great for a while.

Check my signature. Sold the 82 and just got the 69 back yesterday.
__________________
Mike
1969 C10 LWB -- bought in 1989
1982 C10 SWB -- owned 2013-2020
Retired as a factory automation products salesman.
Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop.
Member here for 21 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!
MikeB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2021, 03:38 PM   #6396
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

so it appears we successfully transferred two full quarts of the red stuff from the trans belly to the driveway via the busted stainless steel braided pin hole, and she still ranned and shifted, salute to the GM guys
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2021, 05:30 PM   #6397
hatzie
Moderator
 
hatzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wentworth, NH
Posts: 4,389
Re: Restoring Rusty

As long as you didn't damage the pump you should be just fine.
__________________
1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD
1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD
1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD
1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD
1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD
1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD
2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500
2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263
2009 Impala SS LS4 V8


RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials...Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions.
And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.
hatzie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2021, 04:12 PM   #6398
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

the beauty of owning old cars or trucks is that they need constant care and feeding, and Rusty is no exception, especially as my daily driver

add to that the premise that if it aint broken and you decided to fix it, and you have a recipe for a fun weekend

old cars are funny like that, I still remember the Car Fix episode where Jared and Lou both very competent wrenches drove in and replaced the carpet in a Camaro or Fire Chicken I forget which, and afterwards the car would not start, and would not drive out of the shop bay, lol, I just grinned and nodded to myself, going yup - old cars!!!

so what is this latest rant about, well my Lokar automagic transmission shifter, it worked fine before I loosened the tortoise shell to get to the trans fluid lines in order to replace them, and now with the shell back in place and bolted up finger tight the shifter has way too much throw on it for some odd unexplained reason where it wants to go way too far forward and kiss the dash and then lay way too far back and hug the seat

we must investigate this mystery
Attached Images
  

Last edited by Gregski; 03-20-2021 at 04:27 PM.
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2021, 06:43 PM   #6399
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

hmmm, yet another aftermarket part failure, please tell me it aint so!

now I am 106% sure the allan nut that was supposed to be in there was in there as I've kept a zip loc baggie of all the extra bits from this Lokar shifter and it sure wasn't in there, not to mention the other three missing bolts
Attached Images
  
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2021, 06:44 PM   #6400
Gregski
Senior Member
 
Gregski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,222
Re: Restoring Rusty

now before you blame me the installer let me tell you that the other bolt (the one on the side) that worked itself out is only held in place by like 3 threads and then it is designed to bottom out and can't screw in any further, so there's that
Attached Images
  
Gregski is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2020 67-72chevytrucks.com