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Old 05-12-2017, 12:52 AM   #1
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Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Not sure how this happened. Truck has been starting fine with this starter for 11 years. No noise, no weird starts... went to go for a ride tonight and BAM.

Pull the starter and see this???

I had a moment of panic when I thought maybe the motor had locked up, but none of the flywheel teeth were damaged and the Bendix gear wouldn't pull out of the starter... it locked up in the "rest" position and went bang?

New starter was on an hour or so later and starts/runs fine.

Never seen a starter cone break before, just thought I'd share.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:48 AM   #2
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Was one of the mounting bolts loose? By any chance? I've seen that happen.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:29 AM   #3
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Nope, everything was tight. It never made any weird sounds before just going bang.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:02 AM   #4
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

It could have been getting sloppy on the inside and the bendix arm might have been over traveling whaling against the cone stressing it till it just gave out.

I've seen them break before but never really investigated on why, just chalked it up too failure and replaced it.

Did they give you a problem with the core since it's broke?
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:04 AM   #5
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Surprisingly, they were actually going to try to warranty it for me (it still had their parts sticker clearly legible), but because we couldn't find the old info from 2006 in their computer (didn't think they would) they couldn't, but they still let me use it as a core. Was surprisingly cheap, only $42? I bought a mini starter for my 65 mustang a couple years ago and it was over $100, and those don't even have a solenoid on them.

I almost forgot to take my heat shield off the solenoid. That little booger makes a big difference in how it starts after being hot.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:23 AM   #6
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

The big blocks were known to break nose cones. It could happen on small blocks too. Quite often it was due to a kickback with a fully warmed engine. We used to hang onto a factory nose cone and just replace the bushing in it rather than use the aluminum replacement ones.
Using that oe starter brace is also a real good idea if you have one.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:56 AM   #7
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Honestly, I've never heard of a starter brace for the 350, so I googled it.

Looks like a good idea, they're very heavy starters and that's a lot of weight hanging off that aluminum cone!

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Old 05-12-2017, 12:39 PM   #8
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

I've seen it once before on a 427 Corvette. Definitely a head-shaker.
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:26 PM   #9
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Honestly I've never used the starter braces either and never had much trouble.

But since I've been here and see the troubles that everyone writes about I have dug them outa my bracket bins and reinstalled them just for good measures.

One thing I have allways done is make sure I have the correct
Bolts in good condition.

Thats great they gave you no problems with it.


Starters are one thing that don't give me much problems I never used anything but stock replacements.

My buddy was throwing together a 70 chevelle a few weeks ago and stopped by here before heading back too the store he showed me a new staggered starter that wouldn't fit he said the bolts didn't line up.
I grabbed a spare and did some measurements.
Just for giggles he tried my spare and it didn't fit either.
A bulb went off and I came back out with a straight pattern cone and said go try that.
It fit perfectly.
He has been playing with sbc's longer than me but just didn't catch it since his block was drilled with three holes and just figured it was staggered.
That's when I asked about the flywheel and he didn't pay attention if it was 153 or 168.

I can see a hot kick back breaking that too
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:55 PM   #10
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Truck had been sitting for a week. It turned over for a few seconds, like normal when it's been sitting for a few+ days, then bang, click click, click click.

Yeah, I know you can run the modern starters, but they're staggered, and some fit, some don't. I didn't know where the starter came from so I went to o'reillys. They couldn't even find a straight cone one for me in the computer system, but he helped me look up the PN I had and it came back as Advance, so I went there, he had to go through a couple boxes too before we got the right one. Took longer to get the starter than it did to do the entire swap.
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

It doesn't take but one hot kick back to break the thin aftermarket cones. The brace can help reduce the flexing that can lead to breakage.
I'm glad this has come up. I had forgotten to round one up for mine. An ounce of prevention eh?
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Yes, starter braces on a small block are the bees knees
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only seen a few break
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

ItI have good luck with the GM mini starter for 1998 GMC 2500 7.4L- have 2 on 454 1 on a hot rod 400 sbc never give me any grief, even with 36° of initial timing.


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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

I never take my OEM core in when I buy an over the counter rebuild. The idea is to rebuild those when time allows. But I've never had an aluminum nose break. The brace is a good idea.
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Noses breaking like that are common if you run a lot of initial advance or have really high compression (like 11+ to 1). Sometimes they just break from being used for a zillion starts. You may never find the root cause.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:50 PM   #17
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

Probably a zillion starts. I really do drive the old girl a lot. Initial timing is around 10-12* and it's a stock 350.
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Re: Well, that starter is toast... Ooops?

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Honestly, I've never heard of a starter brace for the 350, so I googled it.

Looks like a good idea, they're very heavy starters and that's a lot of weight hanging off that aluminum cone!

I just put mine back on a week ago. I discovered that my bolts were getting bent, ever so slightly, just enough to cause the bendix to mis align and eat my flexplate. This time I ordered a heavy duty flexplate, factory (AC Delco) starter, and the brace on the end. Now it sounds like brand new.
I figured this all out by watching the starter motor while my son turned the ignition switch.
Good luck with figuring out your cause.
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