Camaro

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by special-K

I'm sure the marketing team could come up with dozens of clever catchy for these totally different, totally new direction, totally for a different market vehicles. Why use a name from a mentality they are trying to kill and come up with one that appeals to that market. It makes more sense from the marketing standpoint. It's like tearing down all the statues of Confederate Generals, then renaming schools after them. GM is obviously trying to distance itself from the street performance market, yet support the Corvette and Cadillac racing teams, again, to make more money $elling car$. Hypocrites

That perfectly sums it up.

[Tom]

With what they cost these days I'm surprised they were selling any.

[tutone]

When the Camaro goes away, just buy an ATS Cadillac. The Camaro is now built on that platform. GM's way of saving money. Sorta like the 68-74 Nova was back then.

[special-K]

Originally Posted by 57taskforce

That perfectly sums it up.

Except I left out "names" after catchy

[sakustoms]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

My Jeep doesn't get good mileage in my opinion. It's got the 3.6 V6. It's rated in the mid 20's but I don't think it's getting that. I've never checked it because my wife drives it and she wont write down the miles driven or gallons purchased at the pump. (that'll be the day ) It just seems to me that we don't put a lot of miles on it and it's always low on fuel.

Yea I felt like I was always putting gas in it. In essence it was probably every 5 days but that was like $50. Now I get gas maybe once every 7 days and it's more like $30.

I loved my GCL. I also had a 2020 Grand Cherokee North Edition. I loved it but traded it in when the L came out. If Biden hadn't senselessly caused a huge spike in gas prices I'd still have it.

[sakustoms]

Originally Posted by rgunlock

I've got to think there is a generation of folks that grew up lusting after the current gen Camaro's that either are, or will soon be entering the market. I've gotta think they aren't going to be too impressed with the EV/SUV models either.

I have owned many Camaros of different generations and there is no way I would ever buy a Camaro SUV or a sedan. That just seems sacrilegious. Same goes for the Mustang EV. I have owned more Mustangs than I can remember and wouldn't buy the SUV.

[LONGHAIR]

That's my thought too.^^^ I have had several Camaros of a few generations too and would never buy an electric SUV with that stolen name slapped on it.
Same as Ford did with the Mustang, disgusting.

That new Demon 170 looks awesome. 8.90s at 150+ mph in factory form? That's crazy and hard to believe that just any idiot with enough credit can get into such a monster.
You can't just roll into an NHRA track and run that fast without a proper license and that's under controlled conditions with safety crews on-site.
I haven't heard anything about price though? can't be cheap

[62c30]

Originally Posted by LONGHAIR

That's my thought too.^^^ I have had several Camaros of a few generations too and would never buy an electric SUV with that stolen name slapped on it.
Same as Ford did with the Mustang, disgusting.

That new Demon 170 looks awesome. 8.90s at 150+ mph in factory form? That's crazy and hard to believe that just any idiot with enough credit can get into such a monster.
You can't just roll into an NHRA track and run that fast without a proper license and that's under controlled conditions with safety crews on-site.
I haven't heard anything about price though? can't be cheap

I think it was just under $100k but I'm sure there will be ton of markups. While I don't agree with Ford on the mustang ev name choice at least they still make a real mustang. I have been impressed with how Dodge has gotten a lot better in the last decade or so, I bought a new 2016 challenger, I hope they go under next year with this EV crap. Of course if they do or GM I'm sure the taxpayers will be on the hook again.

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by 62c30

I think it was just under $100k but I'm sure there will be ton of markups. While I don't agree with Ford on the mustang ev name choice at least they still make a real mustang. I have been impressed with how Dodge has gotten a lot better in the last decade or so, I bought a new 2016 challenger, I hope they go under next year with this EV crap. Of course if they do or GM I'm sure the taxpayers will be on the hook again.

I honestly hope they both go under. And don’t get bailed out, you’re right that won’t happen, we’ll bail them out against our will… a-gain.

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by 57taskforce

I honestly hope they both go under. And don’t get bailed out, you’re right that won’t happen, we’ll bail them out against our will… a-gain.

As much as I'd like to them get slapped down for being stupid it'll be the workers that pay the price and I don't want to see that. The big boys have their golden parachutes. It won't affect them.

[Richard]

Sad to see GM doing this. Purchased a new 2020 Blazer RS for my wife a bit into when the lockdowns started. Nothing was selling at the time and we got the best deal we have ever experienced, probably 30% off of list. She wanted a midsize sport utility and I wanted to buy american this time. Size was good for her and she liked the car. The BLAZER name had nothing to do with the purchase, it meant nothing to her and infact kind of turned me off. The car (not a truck) has been in for service more than any new vehicle we have ever owned in the first two years. With the direction GM is going I am guessing that it will be our last new GM vehicle purchase.

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by Richard

With the direction GM is going I am guessing that it will be our last new GM vehicle purchase.

Sad indeed. GM used to make cars for everyone but now it seems to be a niche market. They are driving the loyal fans away. (in Fords)

I've passed on 2 GM vehicles because of the the obscene dealer markup which seems to be the norm these days. They really need to get a lasso on these dealers too. But they don't. They just add fuel to the fire with bad ideas and no control.

[special-K]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

As much as I'd like to them get slapped down for being stupid it'll be the workers that pay the price and I don't want to see that. The big boys have their golden parachutes. It won't affect them.

The automaker bailouts didn't bother me. It was done to save jobs. People who disagree should be reminded all those who would have lost their jobs, a whole lot of people/jobs, would have been out after your job in a climate where most all other jobs were scarce due to what would have been another depression had their not been so many safeguards put into place after the great depression. What bothers me 100x more is that the banks who put us into the recession got bailed out and grew stronger through the housing disaster that wrecked many a common person's life. "Sorry sir, but your home was foreclosed upon. We can't lend money to buy another due to your poor credit record" (that had been A1 for decades).

[LONGHAIR]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

As much as I'd like to them get slapped down for being stupid it'll be the workers that pay the price and I don't want to see that. The big boys have their golden parachutes. It won't affect them.

The real kick in the teeth is that they are already rich and could retire more than comfortably without it.

At least when the auto industry got bailed out, it was a loan and they did pay it back. GM was over a year early IIRC?

[special-K]

Originally Posted by LONGHAIR

The real kick in the teeth is that they are already rich and could retire more than comfortably without it.

At least when the auto industry got bailed out, it was a loan and they did pay it back. GM was over a year early IIRC?

Yep, it was a good plan that saved a big portion of US jobs. Not just those employed by GM and Chrysler, but all the supporting jobbers. That was about 15 years ago and they are still on their own feet, whether they are building what we like or not.

[57taskforce]

I found it interesting that in the farewell video from Chevy, there is a panther emblem present at the very end. This makes me wonder if this is the very end of the Camaro as we know it, 2 door coupe. Seems interesting to have such a huge nod to the beginning of the Camaro history. Maybe the new EV based cars will be panthers? Either way it sucks, to see them kill an icon…. again.

[tutone]

Camaros, Corvettes, heck even these trucks we fool with, all have their generational issues. I like 55-59 chevs better than 47-54s and 60-66s. Then I love anything from 67-98. After that, I really dont care. Same with Camaros. 67-69 were tops with me then 70-74. After that, not for me. Corvettes have never crossed my mind for a keeper, until the new mid engines. I probably couldnt get in or out of one, but they look cool. I saw a chart on yearly camaro vs corvette sales the other day. Camaro sales are dropping like a rock, while vettes are steady increasing. Money is tight, and lots of people like a styling change every once in a while. The late model drop tops look fair to me. They will be missed.

[notsolo]

This one has generational issues.

[special-K]

I like all GM trucks up to '72 the most. But I also like them up till 2000 GMT. Camaros came along in '67 which traditional was my cut-off year for cars. I don't hate the GM cats 68-72. It's just that by then it seems the cars were designed to be muscle cars, with the lesser performance versions being toned down versions for the general public. The Camaro coming about in '67 demonstrates that fact well. Prior to '67 I see the cars as made for the general public with souped-up versions snuck in for the performance crowd. Racing stripes, hood scoops, and the Pepsi Bottle body design was barely seen. The '63 Riviera gave the auto world it's first taste of Pepsi . Gotta love a Camaro, as a Chevy guy, for knocking the shoes off the Mustang. So 67-72s make my list over the other GM muscle, 68-72. Beyond '72 cars I car for are far and few between.

You can't hate GM for cancelling on the Camaro if people weren't buying them. I blame the buying public for that. GM took a shot at bringing them back after cancelling for the same reason once before. A car maker can't help what the public perception follows. Mustangs have carried a zombie following for a long time, even thought they really messed them up a few times along the way. Go figure. I'll take an early Falcon any day. Same thing in a different suit

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by special-K

I like all GM trucks up to '72 the most. But I also like them up till 2000 GMT. Camaros came along in '67 which traditional was my cut-off year for cars. I don't hate the GM cats 68-72. It's just that by then it seems the cars were designed to be muscle cars, with the lesser performance versions being toned down versions for the general public. The Camaro coming about in '67 demonstrates that fact well. Prior to '67 I see the cars as made for the general public with souped-up versions snuck in for the performance crowd. Racing stripes, hood scoops, and the Pepsi Bottle body design was barely seen. The '63 Riviera gave the auto world it's first taste of Pepsi . Gotta love a Camaro, as a Chevy guy, for knocking the shoes off the Mustang. So 67-72s make my list over the other GM muscle, 68-72. Beyond '72 cars I car for are far and few between.

You can't hate GM for cancelling on the Camaro if people weren't buying them. I blame the buying public for that. GM took a shot at bringing them back after cancelling for the same reason once before. A car maker can't help what the public perception follows. Mustangs have carried a zombie following for a long time, even thought they really messed them up a few times along the way. Go figure. I'll take an early Falcon any day. Same thing in a different suit

But you can fault GM for making the 6th Gen more expensive out the gate from the 5th Gen models, and on top of that not promoting the car at all. The 5th gens were the number 1 seller over the challenger and mustang for 4-5 years of the 6 year run. Look at what dodge has done in marketing respects to take the 14 year old challenger/charger/300C platform and make the Challenger out sell the much newer mustang and Camaro platforms both. GM wanted this car to die. The rumors started flying back in June of ‘19 that they were going to let it go and replace it with electric. This is on GM not on the public.

[FleetsidePaul]

In my little microcosm of a world I've never seen Chevy advertise anything but trucks. Ford too. That seems to be their battleground. I've seen quite a few Dodge car commercials.

I've never seen a Camaro or Mustang commercial and the Corvette. Forget about that. You can't even get one. I tried.

What you can get is 2 crappy tacos at Del Taco for 2 bucks. They run those commercials 2 at a time about a million times a day.

[62c30]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

In my little microcosm of a world I've never seen Chevy advertise anything but trucks. Ford too. That seems to be their battleground. I've seen quite a few Dodge car commercials.

I've never seen a Camaro or Mustang commercial and the Corvette. Forget about that. You can't even get one. I tried.

What you can get is 2 crappy tacos at Del Taco for 2 bucks. They run those commercials 2 at a time about a million times a day.

I'd rather see taco commercials than scum bag lawyer commercials constantly

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by 62c30

I'd rather see taco commercials than scum bag lawyer commercials constantly

100% agree. I can't stand them either. Bottom dwellers. And I don't mind Del Taco. But take it easy with the dumb commercials. Their new slogan is "Best Mex'. They can't be referring to Mexican food or they're on drugs because they aint even close. Not even in the ballpark. Del Taco is the fat chick of Mexican food. If it's 2 am and you're drunk it's not too bad.