1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor - Page 15 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**chevmn** · 06-13-2022, 07:06 PM

I believe it was a legal requirement that they had to have at least a driver rear view mirror, but I cannot recall when they started "safety" inspections, but it was in the 60's I think. I am showing my age, but I can remember when it became law that pickups had to have two taillights as my dad had a 59, and originally it only had one on the driver side (no turn signals, the driver used arm signals out the window. When it became law and inspections came along in MO dad mounted a piece of angle iron and mounted a second passenger brake light.

**Steeveedee** · 06-13-2022, 08:22 PM

Minimum of two mirrors started in about '64, IIRC. Prior to that, only an inside rear view mirror was required. I think it was about '60 when heaters were mandatory. I worked at a shop in '76 and was driving the shop car ('58 Fjord wagon) to pick up the owner after we delivered a customer's car. It had no heater or defroster. It was raining cats and dogs, so I had the driver's door window open to air the car out, and someone drove by and splashed water into the car. There I was with a dirty shop rag, "drying" the windshield on the inside.

Dmoore · 06-13-2022, 09:46 PM

Ok so here's what I don't understand. This truck is a Z84, CST. It states right here CST trucks came with a cargo light. This one like I said is just the outside bezel, no lamp fixture and no hole in the cab.

The other mystery is being a CST truck there should be a headliner, there is not.

Dmoore · 06-13-2022, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJN

This shows the standard mirrors for your truck- if no mirrors were listed on the SPID then it came with the standard equipment mirrors 6.25" fixed arm mirrors for models ending in 04, 05 and 34. The optional mirrors are listed on page 112 of the pdf file linked below- these would be listed on the SPID as they were not standard equipment.
https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/doc...olet-Truck.pdf

Thank you MJM

Dmoore · 06-13-2022, 09:50 PM

**chevmn** · 06-13-2022, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmoore

Ok so here's what I don't understand. This truck is a Z84, CST. It states right here CST trucks came with a cargo light. This one like I said is just the outside bezel, no lamp fixture and no hole in the cab.

The other mystery is being a CST truck there should be a headliner, there is not.

Interesting discussion. Maybe someone can tell us when headliners started on CST trucks. I had a heavily optioned 67 CST years ago, and no headliner then, but it had the "68" headlight and hood eye brow mouldings (most say those did not come along until 68), and I was fairly certain those had not been added, so it may have been a very late 67 just before start of the 68 changeover. Wish I had looked at build date or had a build sheet on it.

**Steeveedee** · 06-13-2022, 10:59 PM

I've seen where options have showed up mid-year, in production. Maybe that's what happened with this truck?

Dmoore · 06-13-2022, 11:00 PM

How would I get the SPD or scheduled build date?

**FirstOwner69** · 06-14-2022, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmoore

Ok so here's what I don't understand. This truck is a Z84, CST. It states right here CST trucks came with a cargo light. This one like I said is just the outside bezel, no lamp fixture and no hole in the cab.

The other mystery is being a CST truck there should be a headliner, there is not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevmn

Interesting discussion. Maybe someone can tell us when headliners started on CST trucks. I had a heavily optioned 67 CST years ago, and no headliner then, but it had the "68" headlight and hood eye brow mouldings (most say those did not come along until 68), and I was fairly certain those had not been added, so it may have been a very late 67 just before start of the 68 changeover. Wish I had looked at build date or had a build sheet on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

I've seen where options have showed up mid-year, in production. Maybe that's what happened with this truck?

My post #130 of the thread you are reading should help answer most of your questions.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=9074777

**FirstOwner69** · 06-14-2022, 12:46 AM

Dave...

At this point, I'd bet the deluxe side marker lights are not original on this truck either. Do yours light when the headlights are on? The original markers on my early December '69 were not lighted and not the deluxe style. The deluxe versions like yours were only made with lights. Here is a picture of the front and back of the original markers from my CST/20. I also replaced mine with the deluxe version and got the appropriate wiring from a 1970 junkyard truck.

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 08:20 AM

Jim as I stated in an earlier thread the top lens is lit, the bottom portion is just a reflector. On all four.

**too much stuff** · 06-14-2022, 08:27 AM

I used to own an early 69 cst 1/2 ton that did not have a cargo light or headliner. The early headliners were perforated. I am not sure on the dates these happened.
I also have a set of cst side marker lights with no light provisions in them.

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 05:30 PM

Where would I find the build month/day???

**pjmoreland** · 06-14-2022, 05:41 PM

If the truck doesn't have a paper build sheet tucked under the seat springs, then you can get a pretty good estimate of the build date by comparing its VIN to the VINs listed in this thread:

https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...5&postcount=64

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 06:55 PM

Which digit am I looking at?

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 06:57 PM

The previous owner replaced the fuel tank no sheet was found. Nothing under either bucket seat nothing under front carpet pulled back as far as I could reaching in with my hand. Glove box liner removed nothing behind the dash.

**pjmoreland** · 06-14-2022, 07:01 PM

Looks like Flint (F) doesn't have a good representation of 69 Chevys on the Build Date Project. Bummer. You might be able to get a rough idea from the window date codes.

https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/....php?p=9081761

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 07:18 PM

I'll snap a good photo of the glass codes here in a second and post it. Thanks for the idea!

**70STOVEBOLT** · 06-14-2022, 07:18 PM

AFAIK all deluxe side markers only light up on the top half

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 08:25 PM

All Glass in this truck is original LOF. Here are two picks from the drivers vent window and drivers window. Driver side vent window.

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 08:28 PM

Driver side glass.

**pjmoreland** · 06-14-2022, 08:28 PM

Based on that thread I linked above, YX = October, 1968.

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 08:29 PM

Stamping on the windshield is directly below edge of passenger wiper arm corner of glass.

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 08:30 PM

Rear glass stamping is directly behind driver bottom corner.

Dmoore · 06-14-2022, 08:31 PM

So this truck was built within the first 3 months of production 68?

06-13-2022, 07:06 PM	#351
chevmn Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Central MO Posts: 865	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor I believe it was a legal requirement that they had to have at least a driver rear view mirror, but I cannot recall when they started "safety" inspections, but it was in the 60's I think. I am showing my age, but I can remember when it became law that pickups had to have two taillights as my dad had a 59, and originally it only had one on the driver side (no turn signals, the driver used arm signals out the window. When it became law and inspections came along in MO dad mounted a piece of angle iron and mounted a second passenger brake light.

06-13-2022, 08:22 PM	#352
Steeveedee Who Changed This? Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 10,093	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Minimum of two mirrors started in about '64, IIRC. Prior to that, only an inside rear view mirror was required. I think it was about '60 when heaters were mandatory. I worked at a shop in '76 and was driving the shop car ('58 Fjord wagon) to pick up the owner after we delivered a customer's car. It had no heater or defroster. It was raining cats and dogs, so I had the driver's door window open to air the car out, and someone drove by and splashed water into the car. There I was with a dirty shop rag, "drying" the windshield on the inside. __________________ ~Steven '70 Chevy 3/4T Longhorn CST 402/400/3.56 Custom Camper Simi Valley, CA

06-13-2022, 09:46 PM	#353
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Ok so here's what I don't understand. This truck is a Z84, CST. It states right here CST trucks came with a cargo light. This one like I said is just the outside bezel, no lamp fixture and no hole in the cab. The other mystery is being a CST truck there should be a headliner, there is not. Attached Images

06-13-2022, 09:50 PM	#355
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Attached Images

06-13-2022, 10:59 PM	#357
Steeveedee Who Changed This? Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 10,093	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor I've seen where options have showed up mid-year, in production. Maybe that's what happened with this truck? __________________ ~Steven '70 Chevy 3/4T Longhorn CST 402/400/3.56 Custom Camper Simi Valley, CA

06-13-2022, 11:00 PM	#358
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor How would I get the SPD or scheduled build date?

06-14-2022, 12:46 AM	#360
FirstOwner69 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin & Arizona Posts: 4,839	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Dave... At this point, I'd bet the deluxe side marker lights are not original on this truck either. Do yours light when the headlights are on? The original markers on my early December '69 were not lighted and not the deluxe style. The deluxe versions like yours were only made with lights. Here is a picture of the front and back of the original markers from my CST/20. I also replaced mine with the deluxe version and got the appropriate wiring from a 1970 junkyard truck. Attached Images __________________ Jim Last edited by FirstOwner69; 06-14-2022 at 01:31 AM.

06-14-2022, 08:20 AM	#361
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Jim as I stated in an earlier thread the top lens is lit, the bottom portion is just a reflector. On all four.

06-14-2022, 08:27 AM	#362
too much stuff Roadtrip! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Grand Rapids MN Posts: 13,701	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor I used to own an early 69 cst 1/2 ton that did not have a cargo light or headliner. The early headliners were perforated. I am not sure on the dates these happened. I also have a set of cst side marker lights with no light provisions in them. __________________ 67 gmc custom lwb dakota truck. Sold...And bought back 69 swb 4x4 project (in progress) 70 c-10 lwb texas truck 70 4x4/BB/bkts/posi/tach(retired) 70 swb (wifes) 70 jimmy camper 71 K-5 factory 2wd 71 cheyenne 4x4/tach/posi/ plow rig 71 Cheyenne20 BB, buckets, tach, tilt, 4 speed 72 jimmy CST wyoming rig 72 jimmy Colorado rig 72 lifted texas 4x4 3/4 ton burb 65 fury conv. 383/auto 65 chrysler 300 "L" 413 auto

06-14-2022, 05:30 PM	#363
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Where would I find the build month/day???

06-14-2022, 05:41 PM	#364
pjmoreland Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CA Posts: 5,329	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor If the truck doesn't have a paper build sheet tucked under the seat springs, then you can get a pretty good estimate of the build date by comparing its VIN to the VINs listed in this thread: https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...5&postcount=64

06-14-2022, 06:55 PM	#365
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Which digit am I looking at?

06-14-2022, 06:57 PM	#366
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor The previous owner replaced the fuel tank no sheet was found. Nothing under either bucket seat nothing under front carpet pulled back as far as I could reaching in with my hand. Glove box liner removed nothing behind the dash.

06-14-2022, 07:01 PM	#367
pjmoreland Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CA Posts: 5,329	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Looks like Flint (F) doesn't have a good representation of 69 Chevys on the Build Date Project. Bummer. You might be able to get a rough idea from the window date codes. https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/....php?p=9081761

06-14-2022, 07:18 PM	#368
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor I'll snap a good photo of the glass codes here in a second and post it. Thanks for the idea!



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06-14-2022, 07:18 PM	#369
70STOVEBOLT Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Winona Lake, IN Posts: 6,212	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor AFAIK all deluxe side markers only light up on the top half __________________ 70 C/10 SWB 402/TH400/3.73 "The Needy Beast" 200,000 Mile Club Disc Brake Club Owner installed options: Front Sway Bar Power Steering Power Brakes Cigar Lighter Courtesy Lights Deluxe Side Markers Wiper Delay Power windows Power Locks Coming soon: EFI 2015 Silverado 1500 LS 4.3/6L80/3.23

06-14-2022, 08:25 PM	#370
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor All Glass in this truck is original LOF. Here are two picks from the drivers vent window and drivers window. Driver side vent window. Attached Images

06-14-2022, 08:28 PM	#371
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Driver side glass. Attached Images

06-14-2022, 08:28 PM	#372
pjmoreland Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CA Posts: 5,329	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Based on that thread I linked above, YX = October, 1968.

06-14-2022, 08:29 PM	#373
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Stamping on the windshield is directly below edge of passenger wiper arm corner of glass.

06-14-2022, 08:30 PM	#374
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor Rear glass stamping is directly behind driver bottom corner.

06-14-2022, 08:31 PM	#375
Dmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Exmore, Virginia Posts: 293	Re: 1969 C20, CST. 396, 21,000 mile documented Survivor So this truck was built within the first 3 months of production 68? Last edited by Dmoore; 06-17-2022 at 10:29 PM.

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