Gas Prices?

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by 68bowtie

A side by side view. Not trying to draw any conclusions, I just find this interesting. I wish there was more data on 2021-2022, because I think inflation is in the 7-8% range, and gas price gains are much higher than that these past few weeks.

EDIT: Sorry this is hard to read, both graphs are 1990-2020...

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I'm glad you took the time to do this and post it, thank you. Some people will say that prices are high now because so little fuel was burned last year during shut downs. I call BS because, yes, gas may have been down, but diesel and jet fuel were still being used at near normal rates. Diesel more than jet A.

Besides that what clicked in my mind when I saw your graphs is this...... 2008 was the first year for DPF's and the new diesel emissions. The emissions got more strict each year and the fuel consumption also increased with mileage going down. Is it a part of it? I believe so. It's pretty obvious the high gas prices have been the creator of the inflation by that info.

It must be global warming's fault.

[Steeveedee]

Back in ~ '08, some wise guys on Wall Street figured they could make a killing by tweaking with fuel futures. At least that was the story I heard.

[67ChevyRedneck]

Originally Posted by 68bowtie

Hmmm. I was looking at some data. And thinking...

What happened from 2002 to 2008 that caused a fairly consistent and steep increase in prices?

Why has it been so volatile since 2008?

A long steady period of US and world economic growth. 3rd world countries coming online as producers and trying to crack into that "good living" we have here and become first world (china and India immediately come to mind). In this case, the price appears to be a steady supply/demand (worldwide).

After 2008? pffft. I don't know.... it's been an up and down mess. The last time I remember gas being crazy was due to Katrina and shortages and all sorts of fun stuff.

[Rich84]

2 weeks ago i filled my heating oil tank at $3.42. Today it is at $5.20.
I hope it lasts me until the middle of April.

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by Rich84

2 weeks ago i filled my heating oil tank at $3.42. Today it is at $5.20.
I hope it lasts me until the middle of April.

Hopefully it will . Suppose to be mid 50s low 60s next week and the following week. How many gallons you get ? My daughter filled up last summer at 2.29 shes been using the pellet stove more and a portable electric heater to keep from using oil shes got about 100 gallons left . Mainly used it for hot water

[Rich84]

My tank is 330 gallons. In the winter I will get 4-5 weeks before I need to fill up.

[davischevy]

The impact of these fuel prices hasn't hit all the food, goods and services you use yet.

I had to delete the other stuff I wrote.

[72bowtiestepper]

Originally Posted by Rich84

2 weeks ago i filled my heating oil tank at $3.42. Today it is at $5.20.
I hope it lasts me until the middle of April.

Yes...No one on the news talks about heating oil prices getting outragous, but they sure are. Many houses burn oil here in the Northeast to keep warm. I have been using my woodstove more than ever in the last month.

[57taskforce]

My wood stove runs nonstop pretty much from early November to late March. I run the propane furnace 2-3 times a year to make sure it’s operating correctly and that’s about it. I ain’t gonna pay propane prices when I can get the wood for the cost of some hard work and gas for the chainsaw.

Larry is dead nuts on with the prices of food and everything else going nuts once all this crap hits the fan. I’m dreading it already. I’m spending $350-400 bi weekly on groceries as it is to feed my family of 5.

[DeadheadNM]

Today, LP gas is 44% higher than when I contracted my winter supply late last summer.

[kwmech]

5.85 per----went up another 30c in 2 days. 28 friggn' dollars for a 5 gallon can for my atv and chain saw mix

[Boog]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

Today, LP gas is 44% higher than when I contracted my winter supply late last summer.

You locked in your LP price then that azzclown went stupid and upset the oil & gas market. YOUR WINNING!

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by 72bowtiestepper

Yes...No one on the news talks about heating oil prices getting outragous, but they sure are. Many houses burn oil here in the Northeast to keep warm. I have been using my woodstove more than ever in the last month.

Me too I've burn 5 cords so far . I have electric heat here my rental is fuel oil it has 330 tank . My daughter has a two 550 tanks .

[GOPAPA]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

$4.99 for 87 octane ethanol. I hate California.

The influx of Californians that has moved here from California in the last 10 years since I moved here say the same thing .

[72 tigger]

Originally Posted by davischevy

The impact of these fuel prices hasn't hit all the food, goods and services you use yet.

I had to delete the other stuff I wrote.

You make me laugh!

[davischevy]

I heated with wood for years. I was hoping I was past it.

[mongocanfly]

I heat with propane, next winter will be wood I'm thinking

[DeadheadNM]

Originally Posted by Boog

You locked in your LP price then that azzclown went stupid and upset the oil & gas market. YOUR WINNING!

Yeah like many others I figured once he got elected energy costs would increase so locked in the rate rather than chance the market.

[Stocker]

Been heating primarily with wood for about 45 years now, with baseboard electric and a kerosene stove for backup.

[leddzepp]

Gotta keep warm somehow

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by Rich84

2 weeks ago i filled my heating oil tank at $3.42. Today it is at $5.20.
I hope it lasts me until the middle of April.

My Dad's furnace used to run on fuel oil. Someone converted it to diesel before dad bought the place in '85 I believe. It's always ran on diesel as far as I can remember. I'm not sure which is cheaper to run now.

Originally Posted by kwmech

5.85 per----went up another 30c in 2 days. 28 friggn' dollars for a 5 gallon can for my atv and chain saw mix

Yep, I had to get gas for the WD45 to put a round bale in for my mom's hay burners, and 5 gal for generators. 9.1gal total for $40. Hopefully those horses taste good. Nah, they're getting pretty old.

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

My Dad's furnace used to run on fuel oil. Someone converted it to diesel before dad bought the place in '85 I believe. It's always ran on diesel as far as I can remember. I'm not sure which is cheaper to run now.



Yep, I had to get gas for the WD45 to put a round bale in for my mom's hay burners, and 5 gal for generators. 9.1gal total for $40. Hopefully those horses taste good. Nah, they're getting pretty old.

They call it fuel oil here but its dyed #2 diesel has been for years here. Last few years it has 10 to 20% bio fuel mixed in .

Wonder if your dad's was made to burn #3 or heavier never seen one here in a residential setting . In my youth I used to be a helper for a mechanical contracting company . Worked on some of the heavy oil burners in NYC . Had to wear earmuffs around them when they were running .

[Grumpy old man]

We have snow coming tomorrow so I went to the store for Milk and bread And there was a $5.00 sale on the large cans of Maxwell house coffee , Just as you walk in the door There was a crowd of 20 + people standing in line staring at their phones waiting for their Starbucks fix as I walked past them I overheard the conversation of a gas station about 15 miles away where the price was .10 less a gallon than the gas in the parking lot ??? These people drove to the grocery store ,parked their car and walked inside to wait in line for a $7.00 cup of coffee but they'll drive an extra 15 miles to save .10 a gallon ?? The local Hardees had a line around the building .

I've sat in the gas lines in the 70's at 2:00 am just to get 10 gallons of gas at 7:00 am just to get to work and home again , Endured a few recessions since then. and it looks to me like we're getting ready for another one soon .

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper

They call it fuel oil here but its dyed #2 diesel has been for years here. Last few years it has 10 to 20% bio fuel mixed in .

Wonder if your dad's was made to burn #3 or heavier never seen one here in a residential setting . In my youth I used to be a helper for a mechanical contracting company . Worked on some of the heavy oil burners in NYC . Had to wear earmuffs around them when they were running .

Dad's place was the 1st house where he's at in the area. All the land was owned by that family and they had the biggest milk cow operation in Polk County at the time. The stories we were told were the farmer was in hock beyond his means, he got drunk, blocked the driveway so fire trucks couldn't come up, and he burnt all of his out buildings. Nowadays it's getting harder to confirm that stuff because all of that generation are passing on. It was built in 1898 if I remember correctly. It has coal walls in the basement. From what I remember of the furnace is it was converted at some point but I don't remember. I found out later in m life it uses the same style of burner/injector as a diesel pressure washer. I can only assume this was set up for #2 as well. I remember we replaced the old tanks and those were nasty. I do have another garage furnace I bought that is oil/diesel but I haven't ever hooked it up. I had to get that to replace the wood stove thanks to insurance regs.

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

We have snow coming tomorrow so I went to the store for Milk and bread And there was a $5.00 sale on the large cans of Maxwell house coffee , Just as you walk in the door There was a crowd of 20 + people standing in line staring at their phones waiting for their Starbucks fix as I walked past them I overheard the conversation of a gas station about 15 miles away where the price was .10 less a gallon than the gas in the parking lot ??? These people drove to the grocery store ,parked their car and walked inside to wait in line for a $7.00 cup of coffee but they'll drive an extra 15 miles to save .10 a gallon ?? The local Hardees had a line around the building .

I've sat in the gas lines in the 70's at 2:00 am just to get 10 gallons of gas at 7:00 am just to get to work and home again , Endured a few recessions since then. and it looks to me like we're getting ready for another one soon .

I know what you mean. I'll drive a little out of my way for cheaper fuel if I'll save a good amount. But for cents, no, I've got other stuff to do. Unfortunately, I know you're right on the last part. The writing is on the wall.

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Dad's place was the 1st house where he's at in the area. All the land was owned by that family and they had the biggest milk cow operation in Polk County at the time. The stories we were told were the farmer was in hock beyond his means, he got drunk, blocked the driveway so fire trucks couldn't come up, and he burnt all of his out buildings. Nowadays it's getting harder to confirm that stuff because all of that generation are passing on. It was built in 1898 if I remember correctly. It has coal walls in the basement. From what I remember of the furnace is it was converted at some point but I don't remember. I found out later in m life it uses the same style of burner/injector as a diesel pressure washer. I can only assume this was set up for #2 as well. I remember we replaced the old tanks and those were nasty. I do have another garage furnace I bought that is oil/diesel but I haven't ever hooked it up. I had to get that to replace the wood stove thanks to insurance regs.



I know what you mean. I'll drive a little out of my way for cheaper fuel if I'll save a good amount. But for cents, no, I've got other stuff to do. Unfortunately, I know you're right on the last part. The writing is on the wall.

Come on now guys, America is the best it’s ever been right now! utterly amazing how fast it’s been run into the toilet. As pricey as EVERY thing is right now I know it’s only going to get a lot worse before it gets even remotely better.