20 to 10 series top arms?
Its been a while, but the old crazy man is playing with the longhorn again! The camber will not come on right, due to the 3/4 ton top arms....am looking @ Ride tech top arms (1/2 ton). I understand, that the 10-30 series cross members are pretty much the same, but have to ask about the studs, that mount the top cross shaft for the A-arm? To give a little info, she has 71 lower arms, 75 spindles/ball joints /69/3/4 ton top arms & shafts. My big ?, is will the top studs accept the 1/2 ton cross shaft, or do I need to replace the top studs or mounts? Need help......Longhorn:chevy:
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Never mind guys.....I have it figured;) the 3/4 ton takes a 9/16 stud, versus the 7/16 1/2 ton stud. The 1/2 ton arms will not fit.....time to talk with my machinist! crazyL:smoke:
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Upper a-arms are the same length between C20 & C10. No camber gain to be had just going to the C10 part. RideTechs stuff is adjustable for offset (Camber) & uses different 'slugs' for Caster.
Moog makes/made an offset upper shaft (k6184) for the stock 73-87 year arms. |
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Thanks for the reply Scoti....I had hoped that you & Capt fab would ,chime in:smoke: The old truck is running one ring off a stock coil, with the 1st inch heated/flattend, to mimic the stock coil, My guess is about a 2 1/2 drop. She has 1 1/2 inch body drop(us old guys call it channeled). With the drop, the old truck does not have many shims to remove, & is about 2 degrees positive on the camber. I am not looking at more drop......love the stance, just want to make the alingment come on;) Thanks again............longhorn:chevy:
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Target a minimum of NEG .5 Camber. There won't be any difference in tire wear @ that setting but corner grip will be better. Do the Caster mod w/the lower arms as well. it's easy to get 5-6° POS Caster. |
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The upper a arms are the same but in my experience the 3/4 ton upper shaft is thicker pushing the top of the wheel out giving you the positive camber.
You could.possibly machine the upper control arm shaft thinner at the mounting points. |
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Thanks again to all .....I had thought about moving the lower arm forward. I have a drill press, & can do that mod:chevy: On the top shaft,do you guys have any thoughts on how much material needs to be shaved ,to give 2/3 degrees ,to get me to that .5 negative on the Camber? Thanks again to all you good guys:smoke: Longhorn
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I'll look @ my stuff & see if I can jog the memory (I think it was on my dually). |
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I like the drop/stance....2 1/2 on the spring, + 1 1/2 on the body drop.The way the old truck is set up, nothing drags the pavement!. The rear is a flip/relocate brackets, for about a 5 inch drop. With the 4 inch chop top, the top it is about shoulder height on this 5ft 9 old man @ the top.....I do not want lower, just want to bring it (square) with what I have. Longhorn:chevy:
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I purchased a caster camber guage, & was able to pull the camber in to 1 degree positive, & the caster to 2 1/2 degrees positive.....should be within factory spec? It will take machine work to get to the custom/performance specs, but that will be over the winter. Thanks to all for replies, Longhorn:chevy:
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I do understand that Scotty....it should be about 1/2 degree negative , on the camber.....but will take machine work on the top shafts to get there. In my understanding, I am within factory specs? Let it run for the season....take it down over the winter & then play with caster/camber;) My understanding, is that 1/2 neg, to 1 1/2 degree pos is factory spec.....not perfomance spec, but will not kill the tires. Bring it back bud, I have much to learn about this;)longhorn
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I recall the OE target was +0 to +1 camber. This is why I target the .5 NEG as my minimum. Given your limitation, it makes sense to align as best you can w/what you have. |
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Thanks again.....with a little help from a good bunch of brother truckers, she will rock;) Longhorn:chevy:
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What series suspension are you running (10 or 20)?
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I am running 10 series suspension.....she does have the 20 series top arms/shafts, & a pair of 71 (10 series) lower arms. The rest is 75 10 series, on the spindles, ball joints & outer tie rod ends. The springs are 10 series, with 1 ring off the bottom. I also fabbed shock relocators, trimmed the bump stops & left the steer stop on the lower arms. She also has a 30 series sway bar, with fabbed brackets to fit .IIRC , the bar was flipped upside down to fit. Thanks again.....longhorn:chevy:
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Good idea Scoti......I will check that route out. I guess it is a matter of , the cost of parts vs the machine work? All the parts on my truck are fresh(within 6000 miles). Let us go :smoke: a number& kick back ;) longhorn
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Having limited access to early C20's/30's (pre-73), I have been told they utilized 9/16" upper mounting studs but never had one to validate the info personally. Most later disc brake 1/2 tons utilize 1/2" upper studs. HD trucks were 9/16". Early pre-disc brake lower control arm U-bolts were 1/2". Post-72 disc brake are 9/16". I just put calipers on the old/original upper shafts from my 64 as well as a pair of uppers I got from one of N2billets 67-70 builds. These are original shafts & they allow a 9/16" bolt to pass through. The old/original x-member from my 64 has 1/2" upper mounting studs. The post-72 pancaked x-member I have has 1/2" upper mounting studs. The early shaft diameters are 15/16" & flat where the bolts pass through (no Concave shape). The later shaft I have is 7/8" @ the shaft & ~1" where the stud passes through (w/the Concave notch). Point of all this is it's quite probable the C10 shafts fit what you have w/o drilling anything. I would check the dimensions for what you have & compare. There might be no gain or @ the minimum a possible 1/8" gain if one side is flat. |
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