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Mig welding wire
Looking for suggestions for .023 mig welding wire for welding in patch panels. I am looking for a wire that grinds easier than most. I have heard ESAB wire is good but not able to locate any. Also, do you have a website or resource to get the welding wire? Thanks.
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Re: Mig welding wire
I've been buying my wire off Ebay from welding city...I get the er70s-6...but it's not esab...but I've had no issues welding or grinding
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I also have saved a 10 lb spool of Inefil Er70S-6. It is made in Italy where so many others are made in China.
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X2 on ER70S-6, don't like chinese but that's what I'm burning right now.
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I found Lincoln electric super arc 025 wire and it is made in Mexico. I did find a brand called Firepower. It is labeled as made in Mexico also. My goal is to find a wire that grinds easier for planishing.
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Thanks for the info, I'd love to find some USA made wire.
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That is what I initially searched for but no luck. I purchased a 10 lb. roll of inefil wire that’s made in Italy. I have read good things about it. I am going to get some sheet metal to see how it goes. MP&C gave me some pointers on how to keep the weld bead as small as possible regarding heat and wire speed.
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I have found when grinding welds it works best to use a cutoff type grinder with a 36 grit grinding wheel installed. You can concentrate grinding the weld not the good metal next to it.
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Thanks Lanman. I have an IRand 90 degree pneumatic die grinder that works pretty good. I use the edge of the cutoff disc to knock down the majority of the weld proud. I think my issue is laying down too big of a bead. I am going to practice using more heat and less trigger time while welding.
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I use 023 ESAB Easy Grind. More money but it's easier to grind, Stretch the weld seam and less likely to crack on a butt joint.
https://www.esab.ca/ca/en/products/f...easy-grind.cfm
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Thank you Robert!
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Robert, is it ideal when planishing to grind the weld bead down prior to hammer/dolly or do I hammer/dolly the weld bead and grind down the bead as the last step? Here is a pic of where I’m at currently. Thanks.
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My preference is to planish before grinding.
So if we have a full penetration weld dot, with a small bit of proud on both sides, planishing in this state you can better isolate that your planishing efforts are on the weld only, and you can gauge the amount of planishing by how large the flat area on the weld dot becomes. Just like the consistency you're looking for with everything else, this helps to insure you are consistent in planishing from one weld dot to the next.
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I just ordered a 10lb roll of Inefil .023 off eBay, I paid about $7 more than I can get it locally in the Forney 2lb roll (TSC).
I don't deal with the local welding supply due the the owner's dishonesty so not sure on their price. I need to buy another 80cf C25 bottle. I own a 330cf argon bottle that a place and hour away said would convert / fill with C25, but it's just to big of a bottle to handle anymore. |
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Can the Infel wire be used on Miller 170/220V machine or is it only used on 120V welders? I've heard I should be using a 120V welder but the 220V has a higher duty cycle rating, Obviously I'm not an experienced welder. Just keep hearing from body shop guys I should have a 120V unit. Want to be sure before buying more wire, Thanks. Not trying to hijack this thread but others may have info to help more than just me especially if they are looking to purchase a unit. Biggest drawback I've found so far with 220 unit is having to have a HD extension cord and 230V outlet.120 is far more versatile for use anywhere. Thanks again.
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One more question this brought up...what is "planishing?" Also hear of "proud" when welding. What does that mean? Thanks for the education.
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Planishing is effectively stretching a weld bead or “dot”. When welding sheet metal you want to just weld in one spot for half a second and skip around. This will produce a weld dot as seen in the above pictures. With any weld you have shrinking as the weld cools, when the cooling happens it pulls the surrounding metal and creates a valley. To planish you use the dolly on method and focus only on the weld dot to stretch the dot out, in doing this you are stretching the dot out and moving the surrounding metal back into it’s previous location. Weld proud is the height of the weld bead above the base metal, in the above pictures the weld bead/dot was above the sheet metal, that portion was ground down flush to the base metal to have the appearance of a seamless piece of metal, after planishing. Hope this helps and didn’t further confuse you.
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The thing with thin sheetmetal is go slow..."like molasses in wintertime"...."so slow I can count the hairs on your hand"...get a copper backer..where you can use it will help prevent blowthrough...
Jump around your seam doing spotwelds..get your gaps as good as you can...when I did a series of tack welds I waited till I could put my hand on the weld before moving on..and be sure to hammer and dolley..
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