1965 1/2 C10 Pickup

[jayoldschool]

It is registered in 1965!

That doesn't matter. You can go to any dealer TODAY and buy a 2018 vehicle. When you register it, that doesn't make it a 2017 because you bought it in 2017. The VIN dictates clearly the year. There is no 1965 1/2.

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by salty531

vin# 6z126582

66

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by jayoldschool

That doesn't matter. You can go to any dealer TODAY and buy a 2018 vehicle. When you register it, that doesn't make it a 2017 because you bought it in 2017. The VIN dictates clearly the year. There is no 1965 1/2.

I bought my 2010 CRV in 2009.

[salty531]

You hit on something here. The lifters are rollers. I am not up with roller cam so i was calling it that. Am i wrong? Can you have roller lifters and it not be a roller cam setup? If this is the case i apologize. This is still not normal as i ordered a regular 327 not a L79 that i got.

[salty531]

No argument there. Vin says 1966. Just saying that i was driving it in 1965. Around here the used the term 1965 1/2.

[salty531]

Waiting for you to come see the truck. You are welcome.

[dtkarst]

I'm not sure where the picture you posted of the information on SPID stuff came from but I've got a pile of about a dozen 67-72 glove boxes with the SPID on all of them for the pickup it came off of. Has all the options etc. and this one on my 74. No stirring things up just saying it was happening long before 1984.

[LostMy65]

My dad used to be a Parts Manager at our local Farm Implement store.
I never worked in a parts store.
Sometimes it irritates me when I go into to get parts for my 65 stepside but I have to say it's a 74 because some of my parts on my truck are from a 74. But then they ask me if it's an Automatic or Standard. Then they want to know all kinds of other stuff. I say just give me such and such part for a 79 Chevy, but they can't because they have to enter all that info to insure I get the correct part.

[jocko]

Thanks for the reply Salty. I believe the SPID info you posted is valid - as in, by 1984 "all" GM vehicles had one. But Chevy trucks started having them in 66 - perhaps all GM cars and what not didn't have them until 84, not sure, but the wording of what you posted matters and it doesn't appear to be specific to trucks. As if the dead horse hasn't been beaten enough, driving it in 65 doesn't make it not a 66. New model year always starts in the previous fall of the model year even today. If 65 1/2 was a local term your area used, no worries. But it is not like a 70 1/2 Camaro, which was actually a mid-production year thing because of the strike, it is in reality a 66 truck. As for your SPID, folks with earlier 66 serial #'s in their VIN have shared SPIDs, so either yours got removed somehow or the factory missed one. But it should have been there even if it's gone now.

Is THIS pic what you mean when you say you saw roller lifters? If yes, you had a roller cam. If the engine has never been apart, I'm at a loss to explain how it ever got in there....

I too would like to see some more pictures. Despite all the drama, I'm a big fan of this truck, very cool ride.

[jayoldschool]

This block doesn't have a one piece main seal by any chance, does it?

[60-66]

Here you go , August of 1965 FOR THE 1966 PRODUCTION YEAR. Service Parts Identification or SPID .

[Robert Haas]

I will pay $500.00 for a used 1965 Factory roller lifter out of his Original 327.


That should make it worth the OP's time to get one from his mystery engine builder and will put this whole episode to bed.

[LostMy65]

Hey Salty, What's the company name of the machine shop working on your motor?

[Robert Haas]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

Hey Salty, What's the company name of the machine shop working on your motor?

Dewey, Scruim and Howe Machine Shop

[rvrfoot]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

My dad used to be a Parts Manager at our local Farm Implement store.
I never worked in a parts store.
Sometimes it irritates me when I go into to get parts for my 65 stepside but I have to say it's a 74 because some of my parts on my truck are from a 74. But then they ask me if it's an Automatic or Standard. Then they want to know all kinds of other stuff. I say just give me such and such part for a 79 Chevy, but they can't because they have to enter all that info to insure I get the correct part.

When i got my alt for my 66 c10 i had to tell them it for a 72.

[salty531]

My roller rockers look like this except the bars are on the top of the lifters as opposed to the side as in the picture. All i am saying about the SPID is that my truck did not have one. You are also correct about it being a 66 but we called them 65 1/2 which may be incorrect. I am at a loss as to how the roller cam got there and that is why i entered this forum. Looks like i will never get an answer but appreciate all the good people trying to help.

[salty531]

Remind me when i get the engine back as i will check that out.

[salty531]

Joe's Machine shop, Boise Idaho

[rvrfoot]

When do you think the motor will done?

[jocko]

Originally Posted by salty531

My roller rockers look like this except the bars are on the top of the lifters as opposed to the side as in the picture. All i am saying about the SPID is that my truck did not have one. You are also correct about it being a 66 but we called them 65 1/2 which may be incorrect. I am at a loss as to how the roller cam got there and that is why i entered this forum. Looks like i will never get an answer but appreciate all the good people trying to help.

Thanks Salty. I might be misinterpreting your description, but the top of the lifters (roller, hyd, or solid) is where the push rods ride - so the strap can't be there. We might just be talking past each other. I realize it's too late for a picture of that - but I'm dying to see what you saw! Ha. Did we already establish that it's too late for the machine shop to take a pic of the old lifters? I think so, but that would be helpful. Quite a mystery.

[The Rocknrod]

Originally Posted by salty531

My roller rockers look like this except the bars are on the top of the lifters as opposed to the side as in the picture. ... I am at a loss as to how the roller cam got there and that is why i entered this forum. Looks like i will never get an answer but appreciate all the good people trying to help.

Factory Information on the L79 Engine (notice the “Factory” word) http://www.kendrick-auto.com/chevrol...ory-cam-specs/
Part # Lifter type–duration at .050 In/ex–Lift in/ex–centerline–description
3863151 Hyd. – 221/221 -.447/.447 -114 – 327-350HP, L79

Using the Chevrolet part number for the L79 engine cam and cross referencing to say, Crane Cams we find this: “3863151 Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshaft for Chevrolet”
Notice the words “flat tappet” http://cranecams.com/product/cart.ph...detail&p=23892 Meaning NOT a roller cam.

The L79 Factory engine was never a roller cam engine. It never existed from the factory, so it could never be installed at the factory.

[LostMy65]

If it didn't come that way from the factory, maybe once the truck arrived at the dealership he worked for, they added the roller cam?

[The Rocknrod]

Not likely since the type of lifters needed for a roller cam setup were not available, the GM blocks 20 some years latter had to have the lifter bores some .250" taller to fit the lifters properly. Also the cross bar that he says is on his lifters - They are way after market. GM's didn't have the cross bar on the top of the lifters once they came out many years after this truck was built.

[factorystock]

Originally Posted by jocko

I believe the SPID info you posted is valid - as in, by 1984 "all" GM vehicles had one. But Chevy trucks started having them in 66

Correct! Here is the definitive document on trucks.

[joe dirt]

Originally Posted by salty531

My roller rockers look like this except the bars are on the top of the lifters as opposed to the side as in the picture. All i am saying about the SPID is that my truck did not have one. You are also correct about it being a 66 but we called them 65 1/2 which may be incorrect. I am at a loss as to how the roller cam got there and that is why i entered this forum. Looks like i will never get an answer but appreciate all the good people trying to help.

if your lifters had bars on them, they are aftermarket retrofit roller lifters