The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1973 - 1987 Chevrolet & GMC Squarebody Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-04-2014, 06:31 PM   #1
cal30_sniper
Registered User
 
cal30_sniper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 276
VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Hey all,

I recently finished swapping a GM NV4500 transmission into my Suburban, and was left with the dilemma of how to get the speedometer to work with the electric sending unit on my new transmission. Given the fact that I have never been too impressed with the factory gauges (other than the layout), lacked an in-dash tach for my new manual trans, don't like the fact that I only had an 85 mph speedometer, and was never liked the factory lighting, I figured it was time for a complete upgrade.

After a lot of research, I decided to go with a different route than most folks who upgrade to autometer aftermarket gauges bolted to the back of the dash bezel. Instead, I decided to dissect a factory gauge panel, and use VDOs new spin-lock gauges to build an entire panel that would bolt in place of the factory gauges, allowing for easy removal of the dash bezel in the future, and maintaining the ability to remove the instrument panel as a component rather than individually disconnecting and removing the gauges if necessary.

The following is a write-up of how I did it...

First, the part list:
-Guage panel from a 70s squarebody that has a black metal gauge face instead of the plastic put in later gauge panels. Look for one with a mechanical oil pressure gauge, that's where I found one with the metal face.
-VDO Vision Series 2 1/16" Water Temp Gauge, Summit # VDO-3101051
-VDO Vision Series 2 1/16" Oil Pressure Gauge, Summit # VDO-3501041
-VDO Vision Series 2 1/16" Voltmeter, Summit # VDO-332103
-VDO Vision Series 2 1/16" Fuel Gauge, Summit # VDO-301106
-VDO Vision Series 4" 120mph Electric Speedometer, Summit # VDO-437155
-VDO Vision Series 4" 8k rpm Tachometer, Summit # VDO-333160
-Painless Wiring .312" Blue Warning Light, Summit # PRF-80206
-Painless Wiring .312" Red Warning Light, Summit # PRF-80204
-Painless Wiring .5" Green Warning Light, Summit # PRF-80210
-Painless Wiring 15 pin Quick Connect Wiring Kit, Summit # PRF-40012
-Assorted Color Electrical Wiring (I used some old burnt out turn signal switch harnesses, as well as some other assorted stuff I had lying around to keep the colors different)
-Female Electrical Connector Spades (lots)
-Small Zip-ties

Tools Needed:
-Soldering Iron
-Wire Pliers
-Dremel Tool with assorted grinding and cutoff attachments
-Drill w/ 5/16" bit

The Process:

1. The first step was too completely gut the donor instrument panel of all gauges, circuit boards, light sockets, etc. All you will need to keep is the white plastic gauge housing, the black metal housing face, and the clear plastic lens, as well as the screws to put those back together.

2. Once you have it apart, you are ready to start working on the metal housing face. As it sits, the speedometer, tachometer, and both green indicator lights for the turn signals will fit in perfectly. The Speedo and Tach are very, very snug, but they will go in. Here's a picture of the turn signal indicators and tach test fit into the housing with the spin-lock installed, front and rear:




It's not necessary to install anything at this point, you will just have to take them back out to do the dremel work for the smaller gauges. On to that... The smaller gauges (2 1/16" diameter) are slightly oversized for the panel, which has about 1 5/16" holes in it for the four smaller gauge spots. In order to correct this, you are going to need to slowly grind out the holes until the gauges fit snuggly. I accomplished this by placing the gauge on top of the panel, and marking the outline of the base with a sharpie. I then slowly ground out until I had reached the mark, test fitting periodically until it fit right. The picture below shows one installed gauge, a modified hole, and two unmodified holes above:



Once all the gauges are fit and properly aligned, go ahead and clamp them down with the spin locks. You are now ready to move onto the next step, modifying the gauge housing so that the larger than factory gauges will fit in, and allow the wiring to pass cleanly through to the gauge terminals.

3. I used a dremel and cutoff wheel to remove the plastic bosses inside until the gauges finally fit all the way in. I also cut access holes in the back for the wiring to run to the gauges. Once satisfied, I used a grinding wheel on the dremel to smooth everything up and get rid of the melted plastic around the cuts. Please note, I left as much of the plastic inside the housing as I could, so that it would remain as rigid as possible. The following two pictures show the finished housing, front and back:




And the housing with the panel and gauges test fit:


Test fit of bezel over gauge panel:


4. Once satisfied with the housing, you're ready to modify the lens. Given that most of these old lenses are pretty scratched up or discolored, and would greatly take away from those shiny new gauges, I had originally planned to just get rid of it completely. However, I realized that I could retain part of the lens to cleanly mount the Emergency Brake and High-Beam indicator lights where the gear shift indicator used to be. If you're doing this mod to an auto truck, you'll have to figure out a different place to put these. I cut the lens in half, keeping only the part that covers the speedo and tach, leaving it with four bolt attachments. I then cut oversized circles where the speedo and tach were, allowing the lens to stay in place without being visible. I then used a drill to put two 5/16" holes in the shift indicator part of the lens where I wanted the two indicator lights to be. Once satisfied, I painted what was left of the lens flat back, installed the lights, and put the entire gauge housing back together. The photo below shows what it looks like:



5. Now you're ready for the hard part: wiring. Take your time, draw a diagram of what you want running where, and carefully tuck the wires as close as possible to the back of the gauge panel for a clean result. I used different colored wiring whenever possible to keep things from getting too confusing. Here's a photo of the back of the finished housing, with the 15 pin connector soldered on:



You'll also want to cut out the factory wiring connector that used to fit into the back of the old housing, and wire in the other end of the 15 pin connector. Here's where it gets tricky, as you'll have to break out the factory wiring diagram and figure out exactly what goes where. Once you've checked and double checked your diagram for both sides of the 15 pin connector, go ahead and finish soldering in the dash side. Also, it might be a good idea to leave several inches of wire attached to the back of the connector in case you ever want to solder it back in and go back to the factory gauges. Here's what the dash side of my wiring ended up looking like:



6. Its all a matter of putting everything back together, changing out the oil pressure and water temp sending units, running the wires for the speedometer and tach to their senders, and testing it out. The following pictures show different stages of reassembly, as well as the finished product. Once it gets dark out, I'll get a picture of the night lighting. I installed all the gauges with the red covers installed over the bulbs. I also found some red bulbs at Autozone that fit my extra autometer gauges and the the bulb for the heater/AC controls to give completely red night lighting. I took this cue from the instrument panel in my '88 GTA, as it makes it much easier to drive at night. Another huge advantage of the VDO gauges vs Autometer is the gauge lighting. Rather than illuminate the face ala Autometer, VDO actually uses through the face lighting to illuminate only the pointers and numbers of the gauges. It results in a much, much cleaner looking panel at night.

Housing installed in dash:


Test fit of bezel:


Finished Product:


All in all, I'm very satisfied with the result. All of the gauges function flawlessly and appear to be much more accurate than the factory units. Night lighting is unbelievably better. I'm still fine tuning the speedometer (which is very, very easy to calibrate), and I also need to get the cruise working again. I'll be using a DRAC box out of a 90 Suburban, as well as a spare Dakota Digital signal converter box I have laying around to wire up the cruise. I'll try and remember to post a write-up on that as well when I get it properly working...

If I had to do it all over again, I would change only one thing. The High-beam indicator light is too large/bright at night. As is, I will probably just make a plate to cover it up, using some sort of high beam indicator and parking brake shine through I source from the junkyard. I may also simply figure out some way to tint the light so its less bright. That's about my only complaint with the whole setup though.

Plan on a weekend to get it done right. After that you'll be cruising with an even bigger smile on your face than normal.

-cal30sniper
__________________
86 Chevrolet K20/30 Suburban - 8.1/NV4500/NP205/Dana 60/14 bolt FF, build in progress
73 Formula - 400/Doug Nash 4+1, resto on hold
86 Chevrolet K30 3+3 - 350/TH400/NP241, Air Force/Forest Service Rescue Truck, for sale
01 Ram 2500 - 5.9L Magnum, daily driver
91 BMW 325i - Chumpcar series racecar
cal30_sniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2014, 08:10 PM   #2
Zane M
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 706
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Freakin' awesome!
Zane M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2014, 08:25 PM   #3
bluex
Registered User
 
bluex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Spartanburg, SC
Posts: 1,963
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Very nice finished product an a great write up. Gives me a great option for mine after the nv3500 swap...
bluex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2014, 08:46 PM   #4
cal30_sniper
Registered User
 
cal30_sniper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 276
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Thanks guys!

As promised, a better closeup and night lighting:



indicators on:


indicators off:


entire dash:
__________________
86 Chevrolet K20/30 Suburban - 8.1/NV4500/NP205/Dana 60/14 bolt FF, build in progress
73 Formula - 400/Doug Nash 4+1, resto on hold
86 Chevrolet K30 3+3 - 350/TH400/NP241, Air Force/Forest Service Rescue Truck, for sale
01 Ram 2500 - 5.9L Magnum, daily driver
91 BMW 325i - Chumpcar series racecar
cal30_sniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2014, 09:15 PM   #5
mrolds88
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: WV
Posts: 946
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

I think I have a solution to your issue with your high beam indicator and brake light. What about putting a resistor inline?
__________________
72 GMC C2500 402/Th400 first truck (still have)
77 GMC C3500 CC dually Sold
70 C50 dump truck "Rusty"
87 K10 Suburban Sold
93 K2500 xcab 6.5TD
96 GMC K2500 Suburban 6.5 TD
mrolds88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 01:21 AM   #6
MalibuSSwagon
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Weare,NH
Posts: 1,589
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

that is slick looking.
MalibuSSwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 01:24 AM   #7
clapage6
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 111
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

excellent job. I really like that you listed all of the part numbers! ZThanks dude. looks awesome
clapage6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 09:46 AM   #8
68Timber
I know the pieces fit
 
68Timber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: MONTGOMERY, AL
Posts: 5,523
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Very nice!
__________________
John

79 2wd Blazer (Bruiser)
85 M1009 Blazer (Sarge) build
74 Honda Z50 build
68Timber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 10:33 AM   #9
willett
Another Day, Another Dollar
 
willett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,316
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Looks great!

Do the gauges on top of the dash ever get in the way? I was thinking of doing something similar for oil,water,and tranny
__________________
-78 K20 Cheyenne 454 long box, 4" lift, 35" MT's, '84 cab, '80 box

"its hip to be square"
willett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 02:33 PM   #10
cal30_sniper
Registered User
 
cal30_sniper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 276
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Willet,

That's actually my favorite location for gauges on these trucks. I had them set up that way on my old 90 Suburban also. From the driver seat, the gauges still sit below the front edge of the hood, so they don't block any road. Since they sit so high on the dash, they are very close to line of sight, and much easier to keep momentary tabs on than looking down to the instrument panel. Not quite a heads up display, but pretty close. That vacuum gauge sitting high like that has saved me at least once when my wingnut fell off the air cleaner and went through the carb. I wouldn't have caught the problem nearly as quick if they were mounted down low under the dash. Only problem is you have to drill the dash pad to get them up there, but if you have a cracked dash already, I guess it doesn't really matter. I used a 8 plug electrical disconnect from NAPA to wire all the gauges in, so I can just disconnect them whenever I need to pull off the dash pad for whatever reason.
__________________
86 Chevrolet K20/30 Suburban - 8.1/NV4500/NP205/Dana 60/14 bolt FF, build in progress
73 Formula - 400/Doug Nash 4+1, resto on hold
86 Chevrolet K30 3+3 - 350/TH400/NP241, Air Force/Forest Service Rescue Truck, for sale
01 Ram 2500 - 5.9L Magnum, daily driver
91 BMW 325i - Chumpcar series racecar
cal30_sniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 02:59 PM   #11
willett
Another Day, Another Dollar
 
willett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,316
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Cool! I think I know what I'm doing next time I'm bored. I never really gave much thought to a vacuum gauge but I can see how it would be beneficial for trouble-shooting on on one of those of days when your truck starts running like crap
__________________
-78 K20 Cheyenne 454 long box, 4" lift, 35" MT's, '84 cab, '80 box

"its hip to be square"
willett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 03:01 PM   #12
willett
Another Day, Another Dollar
 
willett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,316
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

What do the switches do where the tank selector usually lives?
__________________
-78 K20 Cheyenne 454 long box, 4" lift, 35" MT's, '84 cab, '80 box

"its hip to be square"
willett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 03:35 PM   #13
83GMCK2500
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Beaverton, OR from WA State
Posts: 1,515
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Quote:
Originally Posted by willett View Post
What do the switches do where the tank selector usually lives?
Blazer/Suburban-type things like rear power window control and rear window defrost, or rear heat.
__________________
Devin

1983 GMC High Sierra 2500, 4x4, RC/LB, 400 S.B., SM-465, NP-208, Corporate 10 bolt & 9.5" 14 bolt
1996 GMC Sierra SLE 3500 DRW, 4x4, EC/LB, Vortec 454, NV-4500, BW-4401, AAM 925 & AAM 1050
1997 GMC Sierra SLT 1500 4x4, Z71/F44, EC/SB, Vortec 350

My Introduction with my '83s History
New Daily, the '96
83GMCK2500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 04:52 PM   #14
willett
Another Day, Another Dollar
 
willett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,316
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Cool. Never noticed them on one before.
__________________
-78 K20 Cheyenne 454 long box, 4" lift, 35" MT's, '84 cab, '80 box

"its hip to be square"
willett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 05:41 PM   #15
cal30_sniper
Registered User
 
cal30_sniper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 276
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Yep, one is for the power tailgate window, and the other is for the rear A/C unit. Barn door models only have one switch, barn door models with no rear A/C don't have the switch at all.
__________________
86 Chevrolet K20/30 Suburban - 8.1/NV4500/NP205/Dana 60/14 bolt FF, build in progress
73 Formula - 400/Doug Nash 4+1, resto on hold
86 Chevrolet K30 3+3 - 350/TH400/NP241, Air Force/Forest Service Rescue Truck, for sale
01 Ram 2500 - 5.9L Magnum, daily driver
91 BMW 325i - Chumpcar series racecar
cal30_sniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2014, 10:08 PM   #16
arrover
Registered User
 
arrover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 291
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

That looks really great! Thanks for sharing.
__________________
1982 GMC Crew Cab 4x4 - "River Truck" build thread

1973-1987(91) Chevy/GMC How-To Videos
arrover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2014, 01:46 AM   #17
Corts60
Just here to tinker
 
Corts60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Holland, MI
Posts: 3,672
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Looks fantastic! well done!
Corts60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 05:10 AM   #18
franky69c10
chevy runs deep
 
franky69c10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PHOENIX AZ
Posts: 1,074
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Wow looks good nice write up
__________________
RAIDER NATION


1969 c10 swb soon 2 b on the road...

My LWB is a SWB now
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=498241
franky69c10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 08:51 AM   #19
bojak
Registered User
 
bojak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: atlanta, GA
Posts: 222
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Very clean. looks better than factory, imop. Would you ever want to do one for a customer?
bojak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 02:58 PM   #20
rfmaster
Registered User
 
rfmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: OC CA
Posts: 1,374
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Well done!

Thank you for a nice documentation package! Should be easy to replicate!

//RF
__________________
"The Beast"

1975 Chevrolet C20 longbed
350/700R4! with 3inch body lift
Dual Flowmasters Super 40's!
TBI retrofit completed (2007-07-29)
New 383CID (+030) 08-304-8 9.5:1CR x36,005 (2012-12-17)
rfmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2014, 04:35 PM   #21
Axle
Registered User
 
Axle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 1,199
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Looks really good.

Alex.
Axle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2014, 10:48 PM   #22
cal30_sniper
Registered User
 
cal30_sniper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Coastal NC
Posts: 276
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Quote:
Originally Posted by bojak View Post
Very clean. looks better than factory, imop. Would you ever want to do one for a customer?
Unfortunately, I probably wouldn't ever be able to find the time for it. The limited free time I do have is chock full and then some with my own projects and just keeping everything running.

Honestly, by the time I got done adding enough labor cost in to make it worth my while to do these, you'd be in the range of just stepping up to one of these: http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.c...rod/prd782.htm

Thanks for all the compliments guys, I'm really loving driving around with these things!

-cal30sniper
__________________
86 Chevrolet K20/30 Suburban - 8.1/NV4500/NP205/Dana 60/14 bolt FF, build in progress
73 Formula - 400/Doug Nash 4+1, resto on hold
86 Chevrolet K30 3+3 - 350/TH400/NP241, Air Force/Forest Service Rescue Truck, for sale
01 Ram 2500 - 5.9L Magnum, daily driver
91 BMW 325i - Chumpcar series racecar
cal30_sniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2014, 08:01 AM   #23
sean1969c10
Registered User
 
sean1969c10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Powhatan, Va.
Posts: 376
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Very nice, that was time well spent!!
__________________
Sean

"If your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough"

1960 Chevy Impala Sedan - my 25 year search is over!!
1969 C-10 longbed - Nice day DD
1970 Chevy Nova - Street and Strip Project
2002 Acura MDX my DD
2007 Honda Odssey - My Wife's "Mommy Van"
sean1969c10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2014, 03:58 PM   #24
DirtyLarry
Windy Corner of a Dirty Street
 
DirtyLarry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Pueblo West, Colorado
Posts: 2,926
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

Very cool! Best gauge swap I've seen yet. Nice work
DirtyLarry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2014, 09:06 PM   #25
nekkidhillbilly
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: hazard, ky
Posts: 1,674
Re: VDO Gauge Panel Build - Using factory housing - 86 C20 Suburban

gives me ideas. i wonder if i can take a 07 up dmax cluster and hack it to fit in the openings like you did with these vdo gauges?
__________________
2004 2500 hd dmax cc 4x4
2008 saturn aura xr
1966 buick gran sport
1984 k20
nekkidhillbilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com