More on EVs from a guy trying to sell them

[MikeB]

There are lots of articles with opinions pro and con about EVs, but here are some actual text message comments by a guy I know who has been selling Fords for at least 10 years now:

Me: Are you still working at the Ford place? How are things going there?

Him: Sales are OK, but the economy is still screwed up. That and the EV BS that Ford is trying to shove down our throats.

Me: Yes, I've heard that Ford is all-in on EVs. Way too soon, and a major mistake, IMO. Are the EV pickups and Mach-Es selling?

Him: They are pretty much just sitting on our lot. Other mfrs have the same problems.

[57taskforce]

Who da thunk it, shove something down the American public’s throat that isn’t wanted in the quantities/scale we are being by told and no one buys them. I genuinely hope the manufactures continue to loose there asses on this stuff big time.

[Getter-Done]

So much for EV's going mainstream.

Trying to force feed something that the Country is not ready for.
Besides the fact the biggest percentage of American's Don't want them.

[LockDoc]

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I have been seeing this video on YouTube lately but wasn't really interested in watching it. This thread prompted me to take the time to watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWqduwbKLA8

I think it is a well made video and provides some insight to the discussion....

A production truck that goes from 0-60 in 4 seconds?????? Wow!

LockDoc

[dieseldawg142]

wow
just don't understand the negativity of americans towards ev's. especially as gearheads, how can you not like something that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds?
not saying you have to buy or like an ev, but their not being shoved down anybody's throat, you can buy an ice car anytime, anywhere. they have their place, just as ice cars have there's.
as a owner and lover of a bbc, i wish they would sell more ev's, if enough get sold, gas loses it's value and the price comes down-simple economics.
for the majority of trips people make everyday (100 miles or less) ev's are fine, want to go further, drive your ice car. i see ev's as a good complement to ice cars, not a replacement
although ev sales are not that great in the us, they are selling very good in the rest of the world, which again, means 20 million less cars today buying gas, meaning more gas for those of us that drive 5 mpg bbc's
i'm not going to debate driving range, battery life or how much pollution is created making ev's cause ice cars are just as if not more dirty, i just don't see the reason for all the negativity, as before, don't like em, don't buy one-easy peasy.
would i buy an ev car? no, i haven't owned a car in close to 40 yrs, i'm a truck guy. but if i had enough money, i would definitely have an ev hummer parked next to the 454 crewcab in my driveway.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

The new EV Technology is cool, But Don’t take away my Hot Rod

[68bowtie]

Originally Posted by dieseldawg142

their not being shoved down anybody's throat, you can buy an ice car anytime, anywhere.

Not correct. In California we now have a law that makes it illegal to buy ICE vehicles. It will be phased in starting in 2026, zero ICE sales in 2035.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/cal...-for-2035.html

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by dieseldawg142

wow
just don't understand the negativity of americans towards ev's. especially as gearheads, how can you not like something that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds?

1. Governments forcing us to buy them. And taxpayers giving rebates to buyers!
2. Price premium over standard cars and trucks
3. Range anxiety on long distance trips -- The distance between charging stations, having to wait in line when you get there, and then hoping the charger(s) there work.
4. Rolling blackouts coming to your neighborhood soon.

On another note, while quick 0-60 times are cool, is that kind of acceleration needed for daily drivers, mom's SUV, work trucks, etc? Also, driving like that significantly affects an EV's already limited range.

But other than that...

[truckster]

Originally Posted by 57taskforce

Who da thunk it, shove something down the American public’s throat that isn’t wanted in the quantities/scale we are being by told and no one buys them. I genuinely hope the manufactures continue to loose there asses on this stuff big time.

Remember, the Boston Tea Party (and the nine other tea parties across the colonies) weren't about taxes - they were about the king telling Americans where they could buy their tea and from whom.

[dieseldawg142]

Originally Posted by 68bowtie

Not correct. In California we now have a law that makes it illegal to buy ICE vehicles. It will be phased in starting in 2026, zero ICE sales in 2035.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/cal...-for-2035.html

Originally Posted by MikeB

1. Governments forcing us to buy them. And taxpayers giving rebates to buyers!
2. Price premium over standard cars and trucks
3. Range anxiety on long distance trips -- The distance between charging stations, having to wait in line when you get there, and then hoping the charger(s) there work.
4. Rolling blackouts coming to your neighborhood soon.

On another note, while quick 0-60 times are cool, is that kind of acceleration needed for daily drivers, mom's SUV, work trucks, etc? Also, driving like that significantly affects an EV's already limited range.

But other than that...

i see chicken little yelling the sky is falling.
anybody anywhere in north america can still buy ice cars. they will never be "illegal". even CA 2035 rule still allows ice cars. and i ain't seen no gov anywhere holding a gun to my head and telling me kind of vehicle i have to buy.
i would be curious as to how many board members actually have bought a new car in the last couple yrs. guarentee the majority of vehicles bought by board members are used, so why even worry about whatever is going to happen in 10-20-30 yrs down the road if your not even buying new cars now.

as to "rebates", i'm old enough to remember rebates for switching ice cars to propane or NG, old enough to remember rebates given to homeowners to upgrade to hi efficiency furnaces or appliances, rebates are not exclusive to just ev's.
and ya, there more expensive right now as the technology grows and improves, just like when ice cars came out a 100 yrs ago, or better airplanes for travel or safer nuclear power....
never said to get rid of ice, i say there a complement to ice, for short travel there sufficent, longer travel, ice. where i live you can't go more than 10 miles and you hit a charger. 90% of all new home construction we do, home chargers are pretty much standard. we didn't get a gas station on every corner in just 20 yrs, give it some time
blackouts? naw, most power companies are upgrading or will be upgrading their infrastructure to meet demand...just like we drill more oil wells to meet demand. hydro power and nuclear can easily make up any future demands.
i suspect the animosity towards ev's is more political than practical, like i said, why would gearheads dump on something that saves more fuel for the ice vehicles we restore and drive

[truckster]

Originally Posted by dieseldawg142

i would be curious as to how many board members actually have bought a new car in the last couple yrs

I have, but not for myself and not voluntarily. My government has used my money to pay for other people's purchase of EVs without asking me if I think it's a good idea.

I'm not opposed to EVs. But if they're a good idea, they shouldn't need taxpayer money to prop them up. It's a question of central planning (socialism) versus a market economy.

[Sheepdip]

Green Energy no matter what form will never stand alone.

[LS short box]

I don't mind EV's if that's work for you. I just don't want big brother telling what I can and can't buy.
Where are all the charging stations that have been I think 7 billion dollars allocated?
Do hotels along the interstate have charging stations for all their guests?
In CA this summer the state government said don't plug in your EV's because the burden on the grid is too high.
For my sister in MPLS where most of her trips are short maybe an EV is right for her.
Most home owners don't have a 220V outlet except maybe for an electric dryer and it's only single phase. The best EV chargers as I understand are 3 phase. Who has a three phase outlet in their house?
And today where is all this electricity coming from? Currant bushes? Not solar and wind.
I think EV hot rods are cool. I would never spend 110K to own one.

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by dieseldawg142

i see chicken little yelling the sky is falling.
anybody anywhere in north america can still buy ice cars. they will never be "illegal". even CA 2035 rule still allows ice cars. and i ain't seen no gov anywhere holding a gun to my head and telling me kind of vehicle i have to buy.
i would be curious as to how many board members actually have bought a new car in the last couple yrs. guarentee the majority of vehicles bought by board members are used, so why even worry about whatever is going to happen in 10-20-30 yrs down the road if your not even buying new cars now.

as to "rebates", i'm old enough to remember rebates for switching ice cars to propane or NG, old enough to remember rebates given to homeowners to upgrade to hi efficiency furnaces or appliances, rebates are not exclusive to just ev's.
and ya, there more expensive right now as the technology grows and improves, just like when ice cars came out a 100 yrs ago, or better airplanes for travel or safer nuclear power....
never said to get rid of ice, i say there a complement to ice, for short travel there sufficent, longer travel, ice. where i live you can't go more than 10 miles and you hit a charger. 90% of all new home construction we do, home chargers are pretty much standard. we didn't get a gas station on every corner in just 20 yrs, give it some time
blackouts? naw, most power companies are upgrading or will be upgrading their infrastructure to meet demand...just like we drill more oil wells to meet demand. hydro power and nuclear can easily make up any future demands.
i suspect the animosity towards ev's is more political than practical, like i said, why would gearheads dump on something that saves more fuel for the ice vehicles we restore and drive

After 2035 you will not be able to buy a new ICE vehicle in CA NY is doing the same . You will not be able to buy one out of state and bring it into the state either . So if you want a ICE your relegated to the used market . I have nothing against EVs buy one if you want to I
believe the people who did want them bought already . Been reading about high inventory of EVs at dealerships since August.

[68bowtie]

Originally Posted by dieseldawg142

i see chicken little yelling the sky is falling.
anybody anywhere in north america can still buy ice cars. they will never be "illegal". even CA 2035 rule still allows ice cars. and i ain't seen no gov anywhere holding a gun to my head and telling me kind of vehicle i have to buy.
i would be curious as to how many board members actually have bought a new car in the last couple yrs. guarentee the majority of vehicles bought by board members are used, so why even worry about whatever is going to happen in 10-20-30 yrs down the road if your not even buying new cars now.

MikeB and I stated facts. Your response is rude and ignorant. I think you should do some more research. I work for a power utility in CA, this is a very real issue.

[68bowtie]

Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper

After 2035 you will not be able to buy a new ICE vehicle in CA NY is doing the same . You will not be able to buy one out of state and bring it into the state either . So if you want a ICE your relegated to the used market . I have nothing against EVs buy one if you want to I
believe the people who did want them bought already . Been reading about high inventory of EVs at dealerships since August.

CURRENT LAW states that in 2026 I think it’s like 25% of new sales in the state must be EV. I don’t know how they plan to enforce it, but I’m sure it will be imposed on dealers. I can see some potential issues for someone wanting to buy an ICE vehicle if they haven’t sold enough EV’s. But we will see.

[72c20customcamper]

CT was trying to pass a similar law in ICE vehicles but Gov. Lamont pulled it because it was clear it wasn’t going to pass in the legislature.

[LS short box]

Was it this week or last week 3900 dealerships signed onto a letter sent to Biden that EV's are not selling? With an interview with a dealership owner said he has 1 years worth of EV's in stock and they just aren't selling.

[Richard]

My brother in law has two Tesla's. Has recently said home charging cost is equivalent to gas prices here. I do not see any need for us to get an ev. Only has limitations for our use.

[dieseldawg142]

Originally Posted by 1970 CST Short Wide

The new EV Technology is cool, But Don’t take away my Hot Rod

exactly!
a complement to ice, not replacement

Originally Posted by 68bowtie

Not correct. In California we now have a law that makes it illegal to buy ICE vehicles. It will be phased in starting in 2026, zero ICE sales in 2035.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/cal...-for-2035.html

we'll see
i remember CARB saying electric and zero cars back in the '80's and '90's.

Originally Posted by 68bowtie

MikeB and I stated facts. Your response is rude and ignorant. I think you should do some more research. I work for a power utility in CA, this is a very real issue.

ignorant?
really?
PG&E is currently spending 2.5 billion to upgrade for more electric use and for electric cars
from
California Public Utilities Commision
Both proposed decisions approve PG&E investing more than $2.5 billion in upgrading the electric distribution system from 2023-2026, which will help prepare the grid to support initiatives like building electrification and new connections to the system like electric vehicle charging and new housing and businesses.Sep 13, 2023

[dieseldawg142]

Originally Posted by LS short box

Most home owners don't have a 220V outlet except maybe for an electric dryer and it's only single phase. The best EV chargers as I understand are 3 phase. Who has a three phase outlet in their house?
And today where is all this electricity coming from? Currant bushes? Not solar and wind.
I think EV hot rods are cool. I would never spend 110K to own one.

almost all home chargers i see being installed are 2 phase/240 volt, which pretty much every house has....unless your living in a tent.
not the fastest, but for overnight there sufficent. and if you don't have it, any electrican can wire one in in just a hr or two
and ya, i wish the ev hummer wasn't over a hundred grand...

[72c20customcamper]

Where EVs really shine is in city traffic . Their efficiency is at its peak unlike ICE vehicles but their efficiency drops in highway situations . The faster you go the more drain on the battery . So EVs work very well for city dwellers but most live in apartments with no way to charge the car. And if your lucky enough to have parking there is no infrastructure to charge . A 120 plug charger is painfully slow a 220 unit is faster but how many can a garage (commercial) install without a major re wiring . A level 3 charger is fast but you do risk shortening the battery life . It’s like any battery multible slow charges are much better for it than a fast charge . So where EVs make sense it’s hard to use them .

I know a couple of people who own EVs and guess what they also own an ICE vehicle too. They use the EV for around town and short trips . I’d like to get one one day for the same use but I can’t justify the expense .

The technology isn’t there yet to make them viable for the masses . The crap with tax credits is really stupid . The person who buys a 75k car isn’t hurting for money. They are just reaping a benefit on something they would have purchased anyway .

[72c20customcamper]

Speaking of tax credits I remember the CNG credits years ago . That flopped too because of infrastructure too even Con Edison’s abandoned CNG and they are the supplier for electric and natural gas . The guy who comes to read the electric meter drive a Jeep . They aren’t using electric wonder why?

[blazer2007]

Here in B.C. Can. I don,t know how the younger generation is going to survive never mind afford a EV . They can barely afford mortgage payment with both couples working full time with the inflation we have. More and more homeless

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Richard

My brother in law has two Tesla's. Has recently said home charging cost is equivalent to gas prices here. I do not see any need for us to get an ev. Only has limitations for our use.

2019 Volt here;

I ran the numbers and it is about 1/8 the cost for me to operate on electrons rather than gasoline.

K