How much longer will we have Gasoline for Our

[GOPAPA]

old cars and trucks that we want to keep?

If the United States wanted to move to a fully electric fleet by 2050 — to meet the Presidents goal of net zero emissions — then sales of gasoline-powered vehicles would likely have to end altogether by around 2035

If this comes to be ..what will my kids use to run my old car or truck handed down to them ?

[special-K]

Propane

[truckster]

I keep hoping saner heads will eventually prevail.

If not, there will always be the black market from the third world...

[Getter-Done]

Maybe???

https://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

Stan Meyers Water Car - YouTube

[lolife99]

Better start building power generating facilities of some kind.
The power grid won’t support more electric vehicles.
So then you are trading vehicle emissions for power plant emissions, unless you build nuclear plants.
Then comes the whole issue of what to do with all these batteries when the come to the end of their life?
California is now facing issue of what to do with end of life solar panels that can’t go in land fills because they will contaminate the soil.

There needs to be a little more “forward thinking” in this country.

[Palf70Step]

Fuel will still be around more than likely, marine, farming, & aircraft to name a few will keep the need present.

[FleetsidePaul]

We've (I've) gone through this before with the smog laws. They seemed to be designed to get you into newer cars. Kind of the same thing.

Now those newer cars aren't so new anymore and failing smog and the older ones are exempt. At least in California. I don't know about other states.

Going back 25??years ago. I had a 71 Duster 340 it was labeled as a "Gross Polluter ' and I had to jump through all kinds of hoops and red tape and spend money to get it registered. Today it's exempt. No smog required.

If I remember correctly which I probably don't. SEMA had a big campaign against the smog Nazi's. I don't know if that helped lifting the restrictions that were being proposed. But it couldn't have hurt.

I really don't see "Big Oil' taking this lying down and they have the money to fight back.

Side note. I saw a guy in a 2022 Tesla yesterday. It had a "For Sale' sign in the window. That honeymoon didn't last long.

[KW5413]

Gas will find a way to stick around as long as the oil companies' can make enough $$$ to lobby for it.

Short of that... A movement to Dylithium crystals.

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by lolife99

California is now facing issue of what to do with end of life solar panels that can’t go in land fills because they will contaminate the soil.

There needs to be a little more “forward thinking” in this country.

They can put that stuff in my yard. My dogs have already contaminated the soil with recycled Purina Dog Chow.

[special-K]

If not gasoline, we will figure something else out.

If I was to look really far ahead, I see us getting away from the go all electric car idea to focus that resource on what already relies on it, while continuing to tap into better efficiency and improving the alternate cleaner sources. The answer for vehicles is we need to come up with something other than gasoline to power our internal combustion engines that doesn't produce the emissions. It's all possible.

[dmjlambert]

A few years from now we'll be on here talking about lining our gas tanks and tuning our Quadrajets for E85. I'll be asking do I bother to mess with it or just get a fresh new plastic Quadrajet made for E85 from National Carburetors? :-)

[Dead Parrot]

More then 100 years after the auto became pretty much the way to get around, there are still valid use cases for horses and such. Plus more heritage type events featuring 4 legged mounts. Even if electric vehicles are the future, there will be uses for which a fossil fueled vehicle is still the best fit. Agriculture will probably be one of the long time hold outs. Farmers tend to need their equipment to work NOW due to weather concerns. A lot of farms don't have heavy duty electrical service needed to handle the really large battery packs those massive tractors and combines would need if they were EV.

Gas and diesel will eventually become like leaded aviation gas is today. A special product available at a limited number of outlets.

[truckster]

I just ordered my Mr. Fusion from backtothefuture.com.

[franken]

Has anyone seen any gas stations close due to lack of demand?

[joedoh]

even the things you consider inert are made of trillions of incredibly powerful atoms.

the replacement to gasoline will not be solar powered EV, it will be harnessing the power of the atom. right now we do it crudely with nuclear power plants, using excited atoms to heat water and power steam turbines. in the future we will pull an electron a millionth of a picometer away from the nucleus of any common atom and the resulting pullback will power the entire lifetime of a persons electronics including houses, phones, and cars, with plenty left to spare.

[Richard]

Gas will be available. The electric revolution will go away, just as it did in the past. Pushing the old inefficient and costly solar and wind technology will just make it go away sooner. 20 years ago I was removing heat pumps here when gas was available. Houses had a 75% increase in electric cost in winter with them. They are no more efficient now. If we have people who do not have investments riding on the change in charge. It will go away even quicker. All electric clean energy is a pipe dream.

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by franken

Has anyone seen any gas stations close due to lack of demand?

My local gas station has had no one at the pumps the last couple of times that I've gone there. Not one car. It used to always be busy. That's a bad sign.

A lot of businesses are like that. I used to have to make an appointment at my mechanics garage and there was nowhere to park. Now I just get right in. Plenty of parking.

My dog groomer called it quits. That was another place that was busy. Now it's closed.

Small business is getting hit and hit hard by this inflation. People are hanging on to their money. Which equals empty parking spaces.

I was talking with the guy that owns the little market on the corner. He was telling me that his electric bill was $4900 a month.

I was the only customer in the market at the time. I thought "how long can he keep that up?

It's tough to see the people that you have grown to know and like either hanging by a thread or throwing in the towel.

[Steeveedee]

Anyone who understands electrolysis knows that this doesn't work. If it did, we'd have it in our cars. I read the first link to where the author's foil hat became evident when he started blaming the Jesuits. I stopped there. Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. This is one of them.

[truckin 79]

EV cars were never meant to be the solution just part of the equation. Gas or more to the point oil is going to be around for a long time. So many products are derived from oil. Same with solar, wind and water energy will be around a long time as well. Technology marches on as it should, like nuclear fusion might be the energy boost the world needs. Clean energy is not a bad thing just like oil and gas just needs to become more efficient. The one source that is more valuable then oil is water and that has me worried.

[68bowtie]

Originally Posted by Richard

All electric clean energy is a pipe dream.

Correct. And yet in California it is state “law” today, that in 2045 all power generation will be 100% carbon free. Carbon Dioxide, which terrifyingly makes up 0.0004 of the earths atmosphere. 0.8 +/- is Nitrogen, 0.2 +/- is Oxygen, the rest is minuscule, hard to believe they can measure CO2 that accurately…

Originally Posted by truckin 79

The one source that is more valuable then oil is water and that has me worried.

I could go on and on about the foolish policies of our water situation, but that would take some time, and preferably over a few beers…

[Accelo]

[QUOTE=Side note. I saw a guy in a 2022 Tesla yesterday. It had a "For Sale' sign in the window. That honeymoon didn't last long.[/QUOTE]

The best method to make your Tesla worth more is to drive it off the lot. Yes, he will get more than he paid for it.
Cheers

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by Accelo

The best method to make your Tesla worth more is to drive it off the lot. Yes, he will get more than he paid for it.
Cheers

I believe it after the fiasco I went through trying to get a C8 Corvette. Same story. The markup was insane. Although the overpriced one I saw is still for sale at the same price and it's been a few months. I guess there isn't a sucker born everyday.

[GOPAPA]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

I believe it after the fiasco I went through trying to get a C8 Corvette. Same story. The markup was insane. Although the overpriced one I saw is still for sale at the same price and it's been a few months. I guess there isn't a sucker born everyday.

When I owned my 76 Vette and went to to the Portland Rose Corevette show , a number of owners ask me if I was planning on keeping mine or buying another one newer /or older ... I told them I was not sure ,, As owners toured all the show car , and many ask me the same question ,,Their comback was buy from a owner not a slalesman .. all of them said you will get a more honest buy .. They says Corvette owners most all keep their Vettes in top shape and the dealers take in the ones that have not been taken care of. Of course I am talking about used ones .

[57taskforce]

Oil isn’t going anywhere. This stupid utopian dream of abolishing it for EV’s isn’t going to pan out the way those who are cramming it down our throats want it too.

[57taskforce]

Originally Posted by 68bowtie

Correct. And yet in California it is state “law” today, that in 2045 all power generation will be 100% carbon free. Carbon Dioxide, which terrifyingly makes up 0.0004 of the earths atmosphere. 0.8 +/- is Nitrogen, 0.2 +/- is Oxygen, the rest is minuscule, hard to believe they can measure CO2 that accurately…



I could go on and on about the foolish policies of our water situation, but that would take some time, and preferably over a few beers…

I was reading a crazy thing about carbon dioxide emissions the other day. I don’t remember the exact numbers but the current CO levels are actually some of the lowest in the last several million years. The current levels are averaging close to 420 ppm, while in the past they’ve been in the thousands. I don’t believe in man made climate change. God is in control. The earth warms and cools in cycles as it has since it’s creation. The current climate crisis has nothing to do with the climate.