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y5mgisi 04-10-2016 06:36 PM

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Gresgski, I hope you understand how much i appreciate this thread. Love your writing style, love the detail, love the fun facts, love the quarks etc. It is one of my favorite threads of all time. Thank you for all that you do to bring more to this thread!

Gregski 04-10-2016 09:59 PM

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Gresgski, I hope you understand how much i appreciate this thread. Love your writing style, love the detail, love the fun facts, love the quarks etc. It is one of my favorite threads of all time. Thank you for all that you do to bring more to this thread!

Wow, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:05 PM

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yes honey I will do the dishes while you're gone, bye now, bye, you and the kids have a great time at your folks for dinner, mmm bye

[5 minutes later] queue Mission Impossible music

Lads tell me you aint excited about this?

I want you to look me in the eye and tell me this aint got rhythm and that there's not enuff floor space, so you just can't dance to it!!!

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:08 PM

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Alright so plan for today, first we make a list of things we got to do in the garage:

TO DO
1. Re Clock The Alternator


perfect, got it, simple

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:13 PM

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OK, here we go, nothing to it, but to do it

... but first check out how nice this enjin crossmember support bracket turned out...

wonder how it would look on the frame

... check it out, it looks great, but you can't just mount one and not the other, you're gonna hurt it's feelings

... there that's better

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:16 PM

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now then, where were we... ooh shinny

~ WE ~ MUST ~ MOUNT ~

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:19 PM

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man, you're so lucky, the bolts on your truck were in that good of a shape, they are like brand new, oh wait... never mind

... and as I sat there on the ground thinking how pathetic I am not to even have a workbench, I tried to think of some positives of the situation and the only one I could come up with was that at least nothing can ever fall off the floor, ha ha, get it

yes I am a wire wheelin' mad man, but I can't bring myself to putting on rusty clay filled / wrapped nuts and bolts on the newly painted bits, this aint ROADKILL!!!

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:23 PM

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and so we had to do the other side, and by the way these motor mounts are identical as far as I can tell, it's not like there be a right and a left one, they both have a cut off corner on the bottom but its in the same place, fits kinda nice on the dirver side and silly on the passenger, the cut off corner should be towards the rear of the vehicle seems like, not in front

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:26 PM

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hmmm I wonder how the matching engine brackets will look on the block...

alright, and the other side... nice, though I wonder how these turned out Champagne instead of Cast Iron, glad I chose the other brand of paint for my engine, I like the Cast Iron look more better

Gregski 04-10-2016 10:32 PM

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um Dummy you used the wrong bolts on the motor mounts and engine brackets, I mean why take all those pictures if you aint gonna refer to them

Ah, you know what they say, never time to do it right, but always time to do it over!

Oh, and by the way was I supposed to use some Special Sauce on these, cause I just screwed them in dry? Pretty clairvoyant if you ask me, now that they'll have to come out anyways.


enaberif 04-10-2016 10:48 PM

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Dude get yourself a cheap bench grinder and a wire wheel for it. I got a free 6" bench grinder and tossed a wire wheel on it.

Then I just use some vice grips to hold bolts and crap to clean it up.

Gregski 04-10-2016 11:59 PM

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Dude get yourself a cheap bench grinder and a wire wheel for it. I got a free 6" bench grinder and tossed a wire wheel on it.

Then I just use some vice grips to hold bolts and crap to clean it up.

funny thing is I got one, but it sucks I don't think it RPMs high enuff, its one of them orange Harbor Freight ones

Gregski 04-11-2016 12:03 AM

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Re clocking the alternator, if you YouTube this procedure you will see guys doing it a couple different ways, some remove the back, some remove the front, I removed the back cause I wanted to see the brushes and the guts, the unit looks pretty tired, it may be the last old accessory on the truck, me having replaced everything else

I used the red WD40 straw trick to hold the brushes in while I slipped the housing back on

I think I rekeyed it from 9:00 o'clock to 3:o'clock unless it's upside down

Gregski 04-11-2016 12:06 AM

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not sure this re clocking is going to fly in my book as it moved the hole for the mounting bracket away from where the nice hefty spacer bracket needs to go, and I am not a fan of the new simple pipe spaces

Gregski 04-11-2016 12:10 AM

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here's just the before and after shots for comparison, see how the plug was on the left which would have been crammed against my engine and now its on the right, nice and away from all the action

and now on the engine

enaberif 04-11-2016 12:13 AM

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Is there any reason you are wanting to use a low mount alternator bracket for? There are high mounts which put the alternator up MUCH further and much much easier to work on.

Gregski 04-11-2016 12:17 AM

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Is there any reason you are wanting to use a low mount alternator bracket for?

I want to be able to see my engine, not the accessories, lol, plus I think it looks silly and ugly way up there, just a personal preference, going with form over function on this one, lower center of gravity, ha ha

hatzie 04-11-2016 09:20 AM

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The reason GM mounted them high is to get away from the exhaust.
You should probably put a metal heat shield between the alternator and the headers with some reflective heat shielding attached.
I'd put a metal heat shield with reflective heat shielding between the starter and the headers too. Make sure there's space between the starter and the shielding to allow some airflow...
Don't forget the torque brace between the starter tail and the block... The big Delco MT series and smaller Delco gear reduction PT series starters can break the mounting bolts, cast nose, and block pad just like they do on the diesels. Classic Industries sells em but... fabbing a brace should be fairly easy too.
Post #4 to the end of this thread... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=238063
More info in this thread specificaly braces for the 153 and 168 tooth flywheel 10MT starters. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=492532
How do you tell the difference between 153 tooth and 168 tooth starters? Look at the mounting bolts. 153 tooth are straight across 168 tooth are diagonal.

Oberon67 04-11-2016 11:32 AM

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Honestly, cause I'm not that smart, but I'm learning, and wouldn't that effect my gitty up, in other words if I put in highway gears in the diff to cruise at 75 MPH at about 2500 RPM wouldn't my truck be slower off the line, yet with an overdrive trans I get the best of both worlds a "quick" and I use that term loosely, LOL truck off the line and a happy truck on the freeway

Dunno. Yes, dropping the rear-end ratio alone will make all the gears relatively "higher," but that's comparing Muncie-before-the-change to Muncie-after-the-change... and I bet you weren't using that granny gear anyhow.

The only fair comparison to make would be Muncie-with-lower-rear-end-ratio vs. OD-tranny-with-current-rear-end-ratio. And that would require math. Acid test is working out the engine RPM to rear wheel ratio for all gears with both transmissions... that will tell the tale.

But you've already gone down the new-tranny road, so there's no point in working all that out now.

Jake Wade 04-11-2016 02:48 PM

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I think that transmission has a .73 OD ratio. If you are currently running a 3.42, final will be 2.49.

rusty76 04-11-2016 07:30 PM

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Your doing a killer job. It's funny but I never had any heat soak problems between my starter and headers. Drove it with headers daily for years no trouble. As for the alternator I could see possibly some heat problems but I have no clue there.

Gregski 04-11-2016 11:48 PM

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the core support rode shot gun from my buddy's barn as we raced home before the sun set after media blastin' all the hard to reach nooks and crannies

Gregski 04-11-2016 11:52 PM

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the GM gods were not smiling on us tonight, it was one obstacle after another, I ran out of wire wheel, the wife interrupted to help her start the grill (the other kind) I said no, so they were having steak while I was having chicken nuggets...

Gregski 04-11-2016 11:56 PM

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but I was determined to get this core support covered in primer tonight, so I put on my night vision goggles and primered by feel

Titomars 04-12-2016 01:19 AM

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but I was determined to get this core support covered in primer tonight, so I put on my night vision goggles on and primered by feel

Hah! I love those night vision goggles.....:haha:

Jake Wade 04-12-2016 07:36 AM

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Now if she had wanted you to help start the other grill, you probably would not have got that in primer. lol

Gregski 04-12-2016 11:23 AM

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well hopefully by the end of the day all these parts will be green (ok technically all but the hood latch mechanism and its companion spring, those will be le black)

I counted a bakers dozen, what did you get?

apologies if some parts may be backwards or upside down in the photo, getting all of them to sit still for 30 seconds was like herding cats, plus the wind was a blowin the tarp up, things I do for you guys

flashed 04-12-2016 12:06 PM

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I think you need to recount .........................................




























Just kidding ,LOL .

y5mgisi 04-12-2016 01:55 PM

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Excellent!

WE B CRUZN 04-12-2016 02:44 PM

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Love the post man, the way you explain in such detail with just the right amount of humour its perfect. Keep up the good work cant wait to see it when your done.

flashed 04-12-2016 08:17 PM

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But when he is done he will have to tear it all back apart and start over to keep us entertained .But I guess we could just go over the whole thread again instead .

Titomars 04-12-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregski (Post 7557985)
well hopefully by the end of the day all these parts will be green (ok technically all but the hood latch mechanism and its companion spring, those will be le black)

I counted a bakers dozen, what did you get?

apologies if some parts may be backwards or upside down in the photo, getting all of them to sit still for 30 seconds was like herding cats, plus the wind was a blowin the tarp up, things I do for you guys

technically I only see one part that should be green. I see mostly all black in that wild herd that did not want to be photographed.;)

Gregski 04-12-2016 10:47 PM

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technically I only see one part that should be green.

oh yeah, which one?

Gregski 04-12-2016 10:55 PM

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well fellers it never really warmed up passed 70*F today nor dropped below 60% humanity and add to that a piano lesson and both kids had open houses at skool and, well you know nothing got painted, but I did manage to hit the junkyards in search of that coveted single piece drive shaft

so lets see if dropping out of calculus three times in junior college will pay dividends

word on the street is that a 350 Turbo automagic transmission is 21 inches long from front of bell to end of trans case, then depending on the tailshaft you get 27 5/8ths total length (using 6 inch tailshaft)

so if we measure the 833 overdrive transmission we get approximately 21 1/4 inches from where the bell housing goes to end of tailhousing, then we add approximately 6 5/16ths for a standard bell and lets see (carry the one, times the circumfrance of the earth, divided by the area below the curve... aha) we git approximately 27 9/16th

so 27 and 10/16 ths ~ vs ~ 27 and 9/16 ths = CLOSE ENUFF

lets go find us a 2WD short bed standard cab pick up with a TH350 trans in it

Gregski 04-12-2016 11:00 PM

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its funny how the things we need is broken on the trucks we want to pull them off of, take that pesky baby hood latch spring, I looked at two trucks that still had the hood latch on them on that little rascal was broken on both

Gregski 04-12-2016 11:05 PM

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I can't even begin to tell you how many tools I have lost at the yards while pulling stuff off, but sometimes the Yard Taketh and sometimes the Yard Giveth

... and today was such a day, I found a lovely Husky 1/4" rachet with an extension and a 10mm socket on it, I found this Knife, and litterally a yard stick (who knew Sister Margaret's truck would end up here, lol) pic of yardstick not shown

Gregski 04-12-2016 11:08 PM

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the first driveshaft I pulled was off of this lovely '95 GMC (figured what better donor than a GMC to a GMC transplant, right?)

well after I pulled it I realized the shaft had a bit of scarring from the forklift they use to move the trucks around, and since this device spins and needs to be true, I decided to pass on it

68Timber 04-12-2016 11:09 PM

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Is that spring available new?

Gregski 04-12-2016 11:12 PM

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a couple feet away there was this 1990 short bed standard cab, and it's shaft was even worse than the first one, I didn't even bother pulling this one off

ok, was my buddy Mopar Seth right when he said buy a new one, cause all them ones in the yards might be damaged, what does he know anywayz

Titomars 04-12-2016 11:12 PM

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oh yeah, which one?

the panel the houses the turn sigs of course. hehe


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