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09-20-2021, 02:28 AM | #1 |
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Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
So I have a 1967 Chevy 3/4 ton that I would like to convert to disk brakes all around if I can. I was wondering if any companies offered a kit conversion for this style of rear axle, and if anyone had any recommendations for front wheel conversion kits.
Failing any handy kits, does anyone know if Chevrolet ever made a HD 3/4 ton with a rear axle of this style that came with disk brakes and would work on a '67 C20? |
09-20-2021, 11:18 AM | #2 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
If you have an Eaton or Dana 60 rear axle Lugnut4x4.com sells disc kits. It's is hard to tell which axle you have without seeing a picture of the differential cover.
https://lugnut4x4.com/product/eaton-...se-your-rotors https://lugnut4x4.com/product/dana-6...oose-your-axle
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09-21-2021, 05:33 AM | #3 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
Well, it's like a 3 hour drive away from me, so I can't just stick my head under there and take a picture just now, but I know it's a posi-track rear end with a big round pumpkin.
Next time I'm there, what should I look for to tell me if it's an Eaton or Dana? |
09-21-2021, 12:03 PM | #4 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
The problem with rear disc brake kits is the parking brake. The rear disc swap kits usually use the cadillac eldorado type rear calipers with the cable operated rear parking brake. The cable disc parking brake arrangement is usually too weak to hold a truck with a load on any hill. Unless you have a manual with a granny gear this will be problematic if you have a camper or a load.
To overcome the weak rear parking brake, you can add a line lock on the hydraulic brake line or use the motorhome type turbo 400 which has the drum parking brake on the output shaft.
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09-22-2021, 04:17 PM | #5 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
I don't suppose there's a way to strengthen the parking brake on the kit, is there?
This is also part of why I was wondering about rear axles on later models that just came stock with disk brakes. |
09-27-2021, 02:44 AM | #6 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
So I managed to get out there this weekend, and here's the differential.
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09-27-2021, 11:38 AM | #7 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
That is an Eaton rear axle.
According to Lugnut4x4: "Our e-brake calipers are unique. While they're based on GM designed JB6 calipers made for the '76-78 Cadillac Eldorado, Lugnut4x4 e-brake calipers feature a much stronger parking brake lever arm that is better suited to heavy-duty applications."
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
The aftermarket disc brakes using the eldarodo calipers are not ideal and I wouldn’t trust to hold a truck still on a hill. Being you have a trailing arm truck you can’t use an entire late model axle. Personally my c20 converted to disc on just the front with hydroboost will put you through the windshield. In a truck rear discs from a useful aspect aren’t worth it unless you have a lot of weight in the bed. But as far as the front goes, entire front end from a square body works
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09-27-2021, 01:27 PM | #9 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
As others have noted, rear disc brakes can be more trouble than they are worth in trucks, especially 3/4 tons. But I know better than to try to talk someone out of what they want to do.
I don't think you have mentioned what transmission you have. It is a manual? You will be using that parking brake all the time.
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09-28-2021, 02:37 PM | #10 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
Yes, it's a four-speed manual.
I just like the idea of converting to disc brakes because I hate working on drum brakes, and they're more efficient anyway. The only real concern I have is the same one I've always had, which is the parking brake issue since I know how they work in drum brakes, but really nothing about how they work in disc brakes. And then there's the other concern of if they'll work for a 3/4 ton. |
09-28-2021, 04:03 PM | #11 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
Well, one thing you could consider is a driveshaft brake, there is some precedent for these on our trucks. If you check out my 68 C20 build you will see that it was an actual option on mine: and if your trans is an SM 420 - it should be, if it is a 67- it might be easier than you might think if you collect the right parts. I complain a lot about mine of course because there is so little information on them, but I also think it is kind of cool and if it works, it works. I have yet to get mine assembled but it is pretty straightforward for me since it originally had one.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=795405 There is always a way to get what you want, and if you really want discs in the rear you can have them and have a parking brake, too.
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
I'm hoping to get mine together this winter. I have yet to actually see one on a 67-72 so its going to be trial and error, but I also think it will be cool. I have always preferred a handbrake to that little pedal.
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
You're going to adapt your SM420, that dates from 1947, so that you can put more modern disc brakes on a '67 Eaton axle? Even at that, the calipers are going to be skimpy car calipers on a 3/4 truck.
I don't see it? My '67 3/4 has disc/drum and a SM365 (original 3spd). If i considered any change, it would be one that proved real improvement to the truck such as a NV4500 5 spd. The NV4500 was available with a tail housing mounted driveshaft brake. Might be easier to find than a SM 420 brake I'd be so excited about having the 5spd, I wouldn't want to ruin that thought by thinking about car calipers on the rear. I'd keep the drums and use a regular NV4500.
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
Have you priced out a Lugnut4x4 disk brake conversion with the E brake option? It may be cheaper to swap the axle for a newer disk brake axle. I was going to use the Lugnut4x4 conversion but for the price it was cheaper to swap axles.
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
What would be a good axle to use for it?
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09-29-2021, 02:55 PM | #18 |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
There isn’t one, all of the late model axles with disc brakes are too big. It’s the axle tube diameter that’s too big, leaf spring trucks can do it but not a trailing arm truck
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
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As far as the rears, would I maybe be able to pick out a vehicle with beefier rotors and calipers and custom make any parts I might need? Would a such a set also have a stronger parking brake set-up? I'd kind of like to keep the hand brake. Or is that no good for any disc brakes? Last edited by Captain X; 09-30-2021 at 04:45 AM. |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
I swapped a late model AAM 14BFF with factory disc brakes under my 1972 K5 Blazer. It came out of a 2005 GMC 2500HD truck. There are two versions, one with a 10.5" Ring Gear and an 11.5" Ring Gear identified by if it has a weighted ring on the input yoke. The new axel is wider than original and will use metric brake line fittings and wheel studs. I had to remove and replace spring perches and shock mounts on the axle tube. I used aftermarket E-brake cables.
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
Why do you want to go to rear disc brakes? A good brake job and a properly adjusted parking brake will work just fine on your truck. The rear brakes only provide between 20 to 30 percent in stopping power. The factory went to rear disc for weight savings. Every once counts.
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
Here is an article from 4 wheel magazine it will answer several of your 4
Good wrenching http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/su...o-disc-brakes/ I seem to remember hearing that the 14 bolt kit will work with an Eaton 052 You'll have to confirm for yourself |
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I'm wondering what exactly is the problem with the kit's e-brake as far as it not being strong enough. Is it just a problem with that particular design, or is it fundamental to disc brakes in general? |
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Re: Drum to disk brake conversion on 1967 C20
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